1 Feb
2010
1 Feb
'10
12:28 p.m.
Ecaterina Valica wrote:
IMO:
There is an Add button in the Annotation Options Area.
- I go to the content
- I SELECT the text
- I press:
- OR the Add button
- OR Ctrl + defined key
- A popup at the selected text location appears to let me add an annotation.
This way I can select the text without any problem in my usual copy/paste
rutine. And when I want to add an annotation I simply click a button or have
a key shortcut.
I don't understand why it is necessarily to have the Ctrl activated when I
do my selection or any other versions that appear boxes when I select text.
Same here.
I like the idea that the "add" button appears when selecting text
(without the CTRL key).
It also enable some discoverability of the feature (I'm sure lot of us
users have that habit to select text as we read)
Jerome.
3) is ok too
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 18:48, Sergiu Dumitriu <sergiu(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
On 01/29/2010 05:39 PM, Anca Luca wrote:
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On 01/29/2010 06:28 PM, Sergiu Dumitriu wrote:
> On 01/29/2010 03:53 PM, Anca Luca wrote:
>> Short story:
>> Can't use modifier keys since there is no decent cross browser
alternative.
>> New "default" way:
>> 1/ current solution presented at
>>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/AnnotationsProposa…
>> with more accessible "add"
button (options?)
>> 2/ when annotations are shown simple select triggers the display of
annotation
>> dialog
>> 3/ simple select displays a little add icon to be clicked and display
the
>
annotation dialog (1/ with button next to selection)
> 4/ checkbox to enable 2/
>
> WDYT?
>
> I think I like 2 or 4.
I prefer 3. Without a mouse it's easy to break a selection, so here one
saved click sometimes means an extra close dialog.
I don't know if I
understand exactly, but for me any would go, so I your opinion.
It's not a strong
opinion, and definitely not a -1 for all the others,
just my preference.
But I
wonder how will it be implemented, simple onmousedown/onmouseup
handlers?What happens if I select text using the keyboard?
I can look into
selection handlers, but if it takes too long, I will do mousedown since frankly, without being
disrespectful to users needs, I
doubt
there would be anyone else selecting text with
the keyboard.
As long as it will be easy to change the trigger later, feel free to
take the easiest approach at the moment.
> What happens
> if I select text with the mouse then adjust the selection with the
keyboard?
That would be simple, I could just use whatever
selection in the document
when
user clicks the "add annotation" button
(the form submit that is).
Then this is good enough for my needs.
Thanks,
Anca
>> See below for long version.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Anca
>>
>> On 01/29/2010 04:36 PM, Anca Luca wrote:
>>> Hi devs,
>>>
>>> On 01/16/2010 09:14 PM, Anca Luca wrote:
>>> [snip]
>>>> * adding an annotation could be done by pushing the "add
button" then
going in
>>>> the content& selecting
text and when the mouse is up, the create
window
>>>> appears. In other words, pushing
the add button would have the same
behaviour as
>>>> holding the CTRL key down.
Speaking of which, it seems that CTRL +
select is
>>>> reserved in firefox for selecting
a table or smth, and I also think
it's
>>>> reserved to selecting full words
in IEs. Could you investigate on
that and try
>>>> to figure out what other modifier
could do the job? (if a modifier is
required)
>>> I had a look at this and I have the
following results:
>>> * CTRL + select text:
>>> - CTRL + mouse down is a shortcut for 'select full paragraph' in IE
browsers
>>> which means it will select the entire
paragraph and will be hard to
get the
>>> selection working normally on the
text you want to add annotation on
(it's
>>> possible to get to a normal select
mode but with some pain). I haven't
found a
>>> way to prevent that behaviour
>>> - CTRL + mouse down is a shortcut for selecting entire table cells in
Firefox:
>>> cannot select only the text in a
cell, by any means. I haven't found a
way to
>>> prevent that behaviour
>>> * ALT + select text:
>>> - seems to be fine on all browsers, doesn't interfere with any other
reserved
>>> keys (tested on firefox, chrome, IE)
under windows, some mac BUT
>>> - on Ubuntu, the ALT+drag combination is a system function for moving
windows
>>> around on the screen. There is no way
I can 'override' that from the
browser.
>>> * SHIFT + select text:
>>> - It's weird on ff and chrome since it's an accessibility shortcut
for
selecting
>>> text (for those who cannot drag).
Namely if you hold shift while mouse
down, it
>>> will select all the content from the
last click you made.)
>>>
>>> Because of all these, I think it would be hard to rely on some
modifier key, so
>>> we need a more accessible
alternative.
>>>
>>> By also looking at some other annotations in other applications, I see
the
>>> following options:
>>> 1/ the alternative described at:
>>>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/AnnotationsProposa…
>>> which has dissappeared from the last
proposal at
>>>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/AnnotationsPro…
>>> ), except that it should be more
accessible since it would now be the
default
>>> way of adding annotations. (making it
visible on scroll for example)
>>> 2/ while annotations are 'activated' (all or partially displayed on
the
>>> document) simply selecting (no
modifier) will trigger the annotation
dialog
>>> 3/ simply selecting always displays a
little icon which can be clicked
to open
>>> the create dialog (for example, the
way the accelerators icon is added
to
>>> selected text on IE8). It would less
annoy regular selection, and also
enable
>>> annotations on it, but it's an
extraclick to add an annotation
>>> 4/ provide a checkbox "annotations mode", which when activated
(regardless of
>>> whether other annotations are
displayed or not), will trigger
annotation add
>>> dialog on simple select. This
solution is similar to 1/
>>>
>>> WDYT? How would you see it?
>>>
>>> Thanks a lot,
>>> Anca
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