Hi,
= Create
+1 for TIL [1]
+1 for 2.B - based on TL, with the mention that the unexpanded view is the
one above, i.e. [1], and, when expanding you get [2] which can then be
further expanded in an advanced mode to [3]. In other words, reverse in 2.B
the position of the breadcrumbs with the tree selector so that, by default,
you only see the breadcrumbs and can then edit (see the tree selector) and
finally edit advanced (see the reference editor where you can input "holes"
in the parent reference).
= Delete
I gues Delete 3: Accordion would be the nicest, allowing both to see and to
select all the children/backlinks to affect (IMO we should not complicate
things with individual children/backlinks selection), but be aware that we
will have the same issue that we are currently discussing about displaying
documents in the livetable, in a separate thread. The current document
being deleted could be a top level document and underneath it there could
be 2-3-10-20 levels of hierarchy which *will* introduce scalability issues.
Given the above, I believe either "Delete 2: Link" (the extra highlighting
would not hurt IMO, since it's a destructive operation) or "Delete 1+2:
Count + Link" would be a better candidate.
I also see an "pencil" (edit) icon next to the source section. I am not
sure if we should allow changing the page to be delete in this view, since
we are already on the delete action of a specific page. If we want a
dedicated page for the delete operation (or other operations as well) then
we should discuss it an do it as such, but mixing the 2 is not a good idea
IMO.
= Move/Rename/Copy
Regarding the target field, we should reuse whatever UI control we decide
to use for the create operation, to preserve consistency and minimise
duplication. Mentioning it since I do not see this reflected in the
proposals.
IMO, it should be an implementation detail if we reuse the code in the
background for these 3 operations, but the user should be presented with at
least 2 (Move/Rename = Relocate? + Copy) or even 3 (Move + Rename + Copy)
operations, so that his task is clear.
= General note
After going through this, my impression is that we risk cluttering the UI
with all the possible options around the target field (tree + "holes" in
references + ID + etc.) and we should be very careful to keep this to a
minimum.
Thanks,
Eduard
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[1]
On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 11:17 AM, Gabriela Smeria <gabriela.smeria(a)xwiki.com>
wrote:
  Hello,
 Caty, thanks for the proposal!
 These are my options regarding:
 - Create -
 3rd picture from TIL:
 
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/NestedCreate/createTitl…
 - Tree -
 Tree 2.A - Based on TIL is also my choice, since it doesn't hide things.
 - Delete -
 Delete 3. Accordion is my choice. It displays all the information needed
 and also a nice way to hide the things that you've already checked - less
 crowded than the others and it has the highest ease of use.
 - Rename, Move, Copy
 MCR 2.A is my option. I think seperate actions are more clearer and the
 end-user will not get mixed up in what he/she actually wants to achieve.
 Thanks,
 Gabriela
 *Gabriela Smeria*
 *Web Developer*
 gabriela.smeria(a)xwiki.com
 skype: smeria.gabriela
 On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
 valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
  On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 10:23 AM, Jean SIMARD
<jean.simard(a)xwiki.com>
 wrote:
  Hi Caty,
 Nice propositions, as always :-)
 = Create =
 For the Create, I would see the 'location' as the first attribute to
 fill.  Not title, nor identifier.  My thinking about that is that you
 take care of the widest information first and take care of the more
 specific information after.  But maybe it's only me who think like that
 [1].
 
 I think Title/Name of the page is much important than location, since 
 this
  fields needs mandatory user input (at least as we
don't provide random
 naming). The location can be determined by the location where the user
 clicked on 'Add' (currently we suggest creating child pages) so the user
 can just forget about that field and just click 'Create' (he can modify 
 it
  if needed).
 >
 > About TL vs TIL, I see 2 different possibilities.  First you could
 > enable an "advanced mode" to access this identifier.  Second, the
 > identifier could fill automatically based on title (like today in a 
 wiki
   creation)
but leave the opportunity to change it by the user (but maybe
 this is already what you expressed in your mockup, not sure of this
 point ^^).
 
 Yes, this is one of the decisions we need to make:
 A.1 when we display the identifier?
 - always in order to be consistent with the wiki creation step (this is 
  not
  really needed since advanced users are creating
wikis);
 - on-demand: when expanding the location field, see
 
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/NestedTreeDisplayer/Tre…
  - just for advanced users
 A.2 generate identifier from title
 - just as in wiki creation (as you already mentioned)
 I'm +1 for TL
 = Tree =
 Not a fan of the propositions that hide things.  Therefore, Tree 2
 inline seems the best in my opinion.
 
 As I said Location can be auto-generated, so I don't see why we should
 burden the user with a tree that he might not need.
 Having the tree inline or as overlay may have some problem with large 
 trees
  (anyway we will provide fixed dimensions).
 I'm +1 for Tree 3
 = Delete =
 About Delete, the accordion looks nice to me.
 
 I like Delete 2 (more preference since it's displayed as warning, not 
 just
  informative) or Delete 1+2.
 The purpose of the Delete step is to warn the user the change will affect
 multiple pages. I'm not sure how important is to see the exact pages will
 be affect, but it's more important to see the impact/count. Clicking on 
 the
  link will take the user to a more detailed view
of the impact of his
 action.
 >
 > = Copy, Move, Rename =
 > For Copy/Move/etc, I see that you put the ability to create a copy in
 > the Move page.  Usually, Move and Copy are 2 distinct actions (even if 
 I
   agree
that they're similar) and as a user, I expect to have 2 different
 actions accessible.  So MCR2.A seems more appropriate to me.
 
 +1 for MCR 2.A
 Hope this helps,
 
 Thanks for your vote.
 In order to reach a summary we would need more votes, so please give your
 opinion.
 Thanks,
 Caty
 [1] Note that as a French, it's a paradox because French often do the
 other way around (for example, for postal address or for dates, we go
 from the most specific information to the widest information [name,
 street, city], [day,month,year]).
 On 16/07/2015 23:40, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) wrote:
 > Hi devs,
 >
 > This iterations covers page actions: create, delete, rename, copy, 
 move.
 > > Also it contains a proposal on the tree displayer inside page 
  actions.
  
 --
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