Re: [xwiki-devs] [Proposals] Menu improvements when Workspaces activated

+1, I like this idea. Anyone else?

2013/9/18 Denis Gervalle &lt;dgl(a)softec.lu&gt; > Looking at the screenshots, I was wondering if we shouldn't use the same > "HOME" label for the single wiki case, since the wiki name has no real > meaning, and it could became the home of a workspace environment, or of a > multiwiki farm. This would make it more consistent over time, than having > the "Wiki: xwiki" changing to "HOME" when a subwiki is created. I am only > talking about the menu label here, not the content. > > WDYT ? > > > On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < > gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: > >> You can see some screenshots in the JIRA: >> http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9475 >> >> Thanks, >> LM >> >> >> 2013/9/18 Fabio Mancinelli &lt;fabio.mancinelli(a)xwiki.com&gt; >> >>> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau >>> &lt;gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: >>>> Indeed, the proposal A was based on >>>> >> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead >>>> of http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu. >>>> >>>> Then I suggest to call your proposal: E. >>>> >>>> Let me recap: >>>> >>>> - Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu". >>>> >>>> - Proposal B : XWiki right side menu >>>> >>>> - Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu >>>> >>>> - Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo. >>>> >>>> - Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty. >>>> >>> >>> I like both B and E. >>> >>> I liked E because it keeps the left area the same. Since all the wikis >>> are equal, so it should be the area for manipulating it. But since the >>> main wiki is "more equal" than the others, it's good to show it. I >>> understand the problem of E but I cannot think of another place where >>> to put this menu. >>> >>> What I don't like of E is just the "home" label. >>> Home will become too overloaded. Every wiki has a home, now with that >>> menu there will be a home which is the home of the main wiki. >>> >>> I cannot think of a better alternative besides "Main" that suffers of >>> the same problem (since every wiki has a Main space). >>> Maybe calling it "XWiki" can really be a possible solution. >>> >>> -Fabio >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> About E: >>>> Some issues IMHO: >>>> - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home wiki > and >>>> when you are in the subwiki. >>>> - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the > users >>> and >>>> the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? Can't > it >>> be >>>> confusing? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) &lt;valicac(a)gmail.com&gt; >>>> >>>>> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net >> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> You forgot one proposal which I like: >>>>>> >>>>>> == Proposal D == >>>>>> >>>>>> * Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left) >>>>>> * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current > wiki >>>>>> * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow >> navigating >>>>>> either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of other >>> wikis >>>>>> * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover > over >>> the >>>>>> logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with > first >>>>> entry >>>>>> = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second entry > with >>>>> "Wiki >>>>>> Index" for example. >>>>>> >>>>>> What I like with this is that the user is already used to use the >>> logo as >>>>>> a way to navigate to the home of wiki. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> -Vincent >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau < >>>>>> gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi developers. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate >>>>> Workspace >>>>>> in >>>>>>> XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA: >>>>>>> http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when >>>>>> Workspaces >>>>>>> activated". >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2 >> (which >>> was >>>>>>> scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull >> request. I >>>>> have >>>>>>> also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> == Proposal A == >>>>>>> There is some screenshots (Proposal A): >>>>>>> Logged as admin: >>>>>>> >>> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png >>>>>>> Not logged as admin: >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admi… >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You can get it from this commit: >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >> > https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e50249… >>>>>>> (except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot) >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal >>>>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu >>>>> >>>>> In your screenshot is: >>>>> * Home >>>>> ** Administer Main Wiki >>>>> ** Wiki Directory >>>>> >>>>> What it was proposed: >>>>> * Home >>>>> ** Administration >>>>> ** Wikis Index >>>>> ** .... >>>>> >>>>> >>> >> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… >>>>> >>>>> >>> >> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… >>>>> >>>>> "Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as: >>>>> - "Administration" >>>>> or >>>>> - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home" >>>>> depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the >>> current >>>>>> menus: >>>>>>> - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when > we >>> are >>>>> in >>>>>> a >>>>>>> (sub)wiki? Does it make sense? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to administrate >> both >>>>> the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home (mainwiki). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the >>> current >>>>>>> wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main" > and >>>>>> several >>>>>>> "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could imagine, >> in >>> the >>>>>>> future, a new implementation where there is no distinction > between >>>>> "main" >>>>>>> and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that allows >> the >>>>>> users >>>>>>> to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call >> the >>>>> menu >>>>>>> "System" or "XWiki". >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and "wiki". The menu >>> displays >>>>> the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent > with >>> the >>>>> way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.) >>>>> >>>>>> - When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only > have >> a >>>>>>> single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has > more >>>>>> content. >>>>>>> It does not look good. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> In the proposal there is >>>>> >>>>> >>> >> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… >>>>> Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we > could >>> also >>>>> list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User Directory" >>> (especially >>>>> since workspaces have only global users and the directory is located >> in >>> the >>>>> main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order to have > a >>>>> consistency between the index/directory applications naming. >>>>> >>>>> So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the >> submenu, >>> we >>>>> could have more entries (if they are related to the Home > (mainwiki)). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki" >>> twice: >>>>>> once >>>>>>> in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu. >>>>>>> - The left menu has too many items. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from >>>>> * Menu in the (sub)wiki >>>>> >>>>> >>> >> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… >>>>> in >>>>> * Menu in the Home (mainwiki) >>>>> >>>>> >>> >> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… >>>>> >>>>> The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of >>> content' >>>>> inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> == Proposal B == >>>>>>> Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in > 5.2M2, >>> so we >>>>>>> started to iterate until having this proposal: >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(pro… >>>>>>> B). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the > left >>>>> side, >>>>>> we >>>>>>> have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can > actually >>>>>> achieve >>>>>>> on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer", > "Delete" >>> or >>>>>>> "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, it >> just >>>>>>> provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's > more a >>>>>> "System" >>>>>>> menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why > we >>> put >>>>> it >>>>>>> there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less >>>>> confusing. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content >> organization >>>>> hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page. >>>>> You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content || > User". >>> The >>>>> "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your >>> location in >>>>> the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User related >>> actions. >>>>> >>>>> Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to > customize >>>>> their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making it >> their >>>>> own. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> == Proposal C == >>>>>>> We had also this idea: >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposal… >>>>>>> But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the > "Main >>> Wiki" >>>>>>> link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like >>>>>>> "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Crowded and serves as a double function. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --- >>>>>>> After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What >> should I >>>>> do? >>>>>> Do >>>>>>> I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes, >>> because he >>>>>>> wanted to have something to show to the community that can still >> be >>>>>> changed >>>>>>> for the RC1, and he applied the pull request. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal): >>>>>>> Current implementation: >>>>>>> >>> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png >>>>>>> Mockup with the new skin: >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/Men… >>>>>>> >>>>>>> B - "XWiki" right menu: >>>>>>> >>>>> >> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png >>>>>>> >>>>>>> C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu: >>>>>>> >> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion, >>>>>> regarding >>>>>>> one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We > must >>> have >>>>> a >>>>>>> consensus for the RC1! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy). >>>>>>> +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO). >>>>>>> -1 for proposal C. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed: >>>>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu >>>>> >>>>> (Wiki / (sub)wiki) >>>>> * Home >>>>> ** Administration >>>>> ** --- >>>>> ** Wikis Index/Directory >>>>> ** Documents Index >>>>> >>>>> (Home/mainwiki) >>>>> * Home >>>>> ** Watch Home >>>>> ** Administer Home >>>>> ** --- >>>>> ** Wikis Index >>>>> ** Documents Index >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Caty