Re: [xwiki-devs] [Usability] Menus inside Administration

Hi, Some thoughts: * On http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/IdeaMenuInAdministration#HP… I see: "Users confuse Panels and Menus. Since creating the navigation is an Admin activity, they expect Menus to be in Administration.” ** It's not that user confuse them, it’s that they’re confusing! :) The fact that you create Panels with Menus and that you can also create Panels manually is also confusing. We need to decide what we want to promote and explain a lot better when one should be used vs the other. If the Menu app was limited to creating Menus the difference would be much simpler. Panels app for panels and Menu app for menus. IMO we may need to reintegrate some of the features of the menu app inside the panel app instead. ** "they expect Menus to be in Administration”. This is a discussion we’ve been having for a long time. Right now the strategy is NOT to do this but instead to make the Admin apps visible only to admins. I just noticed that the Menu app is visible to *everyone* by default. That’s wrong IMO. It should have default permissions to be visible to Admins only *by default* (admins could change that if they want), similar to Scheduler, Stats, Panels, etc. ** I’m ok to have a section in the Admin that lists all Admin apps (as a shortcut) if we think that’s useful, but it should only contain links to those apps and those apps should also be listed in the App Index. This allows Admins to change permissions for them, for ex if they want to allow such group of users the ability to create menus, etc. So I wouldn’t fold the Menu app itself in the Admin UI for now for consistency reason, OR we need to decide that we want to move all Admin apps to the Admin UI (and thus remove the use case I mentioned above of being able to give permissions to some users or groups to use them). Thanks -Vincent