Re: [xwiki-devs] [Discussion] New location of the "Add" menu in the new Flamingo skin

So basically, you want: http://tof.canardpc.com/view/25ad0704-563e-41cd-bbf2-72c371912245.jpg 2014-10-01 10:46 GMT+02:00 vincent(a)massol.net <vincent(a)massol.net>et>: > > On 1 Oct 2014 at 10:09:00, Guillaume Lerouge (guillaume(a)xwiki.com

> guillaume(a)xwiki.com)) wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > after discussing with Vincent this morning we came to a suggestion

> > would fix my issue with the current location of the add button. The

> > would be to move the search bar to the left of the menu, and put the > "Add" > > button in its place. > > > > Crude image explanation here: > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/hrxlj6n6pztigic/AddButton-Search.png > > > > This way the "Add" button is back in a global menu, not in a menu that > is > > contextual to the page, yet it stays very visible. In addition to

> > since "Create wiki" is visible only to authorized users, it's not too > much > > in the way. Last item: this solves the issue of having the "Edit" and > "More > > actions" buttons separated from one another. > > > > WDYT? > > Sounds the best to me! :) I never really liked the move of the Create > button in the page contextual menu (doesn’t make sense to me). > > FYI here’s what they have for: > - confluence: >

> - jira: >

> > Thanks > -Vincent > > > Guillaume > > ᐧ > > > > On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 9:12 AM, Eduard Moraru wrote: > > > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:37 PM, Guillaume Lerouge > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < > > > > valicac(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:24 PM, Guillaume Lerouge < > > > > > me(a)guillaumelerouge.com&gt; > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < > > > > > > valicac(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Guillaume Lerouge < > > > > > guillaume(a)xwiki.com&gt; > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Marius, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea < > > > > > > > > mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Guillaume Lerouge < > > > > > > > guillaume(a)xwiki.com&gt; > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi again, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Guillaume > "Louis-Marie" > > > > > > Delhumeau < > > > > > > > > > > gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Hi Eddy, > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> 2014-09-25 11:59 GMT+02:00 Eduard Moraru < > > > > enygma2002(a)gmail.com > > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > Hi devs, > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > I`m not sure if we already have a discussion

> on > > > this > > > > > > > topic, > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > >> in > > > > > > > > > >> > my opinion, it's long overdue. I see people start > being > > > > > confused > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > >> > questions like this [1] start to be asked. > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > The new location of the Add menu in Flamingo is > > > problematic > > > > > IMO > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > >> > various number of reasons: > > > > > > > > > >> > - It falsely gives the impression that it adds > > > page-related > > > > > > > entries > > > > > > > > > (i.e. > > > > > > > > > >> > related to the current page), due to its current > location > > > > > (i.e. > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > >> page > > > > > > > > > >> > content) > > > > > > > > > >> > - It conflicts with AWM`s "Add new Entry" button > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More generally speaking, this is true for a lot of > > > livetables. > > > > We > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > need a generic "Create" button to be available when we > > > > > instantiate > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > livetable. This could be useful for the wiki index > page, for > > > > the > > > > > > user > > > > > > > > > > directory, for all the AWM homepages... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess you like the files live table from the File > Manager > > > then > > > > :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > . Would be interesting to have such a toolbar (with > support for > > > > > > custom > > > > > > > > > buttons) before the live table don't you think? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IMO the toolbar's functionality is already covered by the > > > 'Actions' > > > > > > column > > > > > > > in the livetable. The only thing missing is the 'Create' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not sure this is the same use case. I can see at least 3 > reasons > > > > why: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IMO it's exactly the same use case, the only difference is that > the > > > > Actions > > > > > column was used as an intermediate solution because we didn't

> bulk > > > > > actions in livetable (the ability to make multiple entity > selection > > > > > (checkbox) - that's why we duplicate the entries on each row). > > > > > > > > > > > > > Great, this means that we agree on the fact that the "Actions" > column > > > > should be replaced by a "Select" column with checkboxes in it, and > also > > > > that Marius' horizontal livetable toolbar should be expanded to be > used > > > in > > > > a generic fashion by all livetables :-) > > > > > > > > > > Not completely replaced because not all operations/actions can be > performed > > > in bulk fashion. Take the 'edit' action and notice that it is a

> > > element action compared to 'delete'. > > > > > > A different situation exists for the 'rename' action since it is

> of a > > > single element action, but can be presented as a bulk action as well > if you > > > provide some kind of renaming template like '_'. > > > > > > In other words, both the bulk operations toolbar and the actions > column > > > have their right place in the livetable IMO and having a checkbox > column > > > like Marius did for the FM livetable looks like the right way to go. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Eduard > > > > > > > > > > > Guillaume > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Caty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1/ The "create" button would generate a new entry, whereas the > > > > "actions" > > > > > > column is for actions that are related to individual entries > that > > > > already > > > > > > exist > > > > > > 2/ The "actions" column can be removed by the livetable

> > > > > > 3/ The toolbar would also be useful to handle bulk actions on > pages > > > > such > > > > > as > > > > > > "delete selected entries" (as in the file manager) > > > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > > > > > > Guillaume > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > Caty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes and yes :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guillaume > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Basically the button would let the user create a new > item of > > > > the > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > type > > > > > > > > > > than the items displayed in the livetable. Right now

> do > > > this > > > > > in > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > ad-hoc fashion, so it would be great to have a generic > > > > solution. > > > > > > It's > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > related to the automatic page name generation module > (that we > > > > > don't > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > the core yet, though there's an extensions doing it > > > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guillaume > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > - from my POV, looking at the page from a far, the > new > > > > > location > > > > > > > > looks > > > > > > > > > >> > completely randomly selected: > > > > > > > > > >> > -- It's not on the left/top (as left-to-right > language > > > > > specific > > > > > > > > brains > > > > > > > > > >> are > > > > > > > > > >> > trained to follow) > > > > > > > > > >> > -- it's not exactly at the top either > > > > > > > > > >> > -- it's not at the right > > > > > > > > > >> > -- it's not next to the type of elements it creates > (i.e. > > > > next > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > >> > WIKI/SPACE/PAGE) > > > > > > > > > >> > -- it basically is almost in the middle of the

-- Guillaume Delhumeau (gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com) Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS Committer on the XWiki.org project