4 Sep
2014
4 Sep
'14
4:58 p.m.
+1 of course.
2014-09-04 16:45 GMT+02:00 Silvia Rusu <silvia.rusu(a)xwiki.com>om>:
Hello,
+1 as well.
Thanks,
Silvia
On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 5:43 PM, vincent(a)massol.net <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
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ok after discussing with Thomas we agreed that it
would be better to
agree to support ranges of versions for IE and then decide which
minimal
version we drop.
Right now officially we support IE8/9 which is stupid since it means
that
officially we don’t support the latest IE version (11).
So the new vote is:
* Support all IE versions from the older version we support to the
latest version
(i.e. IE8-11 as today).
Then we can have a separate VOTE to drop IE8 support (I’ll send it
separately).
Here’s my +1
Thanks
-Vincent
On 4 Sep 2014 at 16:34:48, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau (
gdelhumeau@xwiki.com(mailto:gdelhumeau@xwiki.com)) wrote:
> +1 for IE9/10/11
> +0 for IE8 (there is a lot of users but even Microsoft does not support
it!)
>
>
> 2014-09-04 16:11 GMT+02:00 Thomas Mortagne :
>
> > On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Thomas Mortagne
> > wrote:
> > > What about supporting what Microsoft support ? That means not
IE9/10/11
> > only.
> >
> > Remove the "not" of course.
> >
> > >
> > > See
> >
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2014/08/07/stay-up-to-date-with-internet…
> > .
> > >
> > > IMO we should not do more that the own browser editor does.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 3:40 PM, vincent(a)massol.net
> > wrote:
> > >> Reviving this thread since we need to decide and lots of committers
> > haven’t voted yet!
> > >>
> > >> I’ve updated
> > http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy
with
> > recent market share.
> > >>
> > >> Note that there are various other sources and they don’t seem to
show
> > similar data:
> > >> - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers
> > >> -
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parts_de_march%C3%A9_des_navigateurs_web
> > >> -
http://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php
> > >>
> > >> However I think they all show that if we wish to support 80% of
users
> > we have to support about the 10 top
browsers used and AFAICS this
includes:
> > >> - IE8/9/10/11
> > >> - FF latest
> > >> - Chrome latest
> > >> - Safari latest
> > >>
> > >> It seems market shared for IE8/9 are still high. However IE10 is
less
> > high (probably because those who
upgraded to it quickly upgraded to
IE11)?
> > >>
> > >> So far we have the following votes:
> > >> - Andrea: +1 to support IE10/11
> > >> - Vincent: +1 to support IE10/11
> > >> - Marius: +1 to support IE11, +0 to support IE8/9/10
> > >>
> > >> Thanks
> > >> -Vincent
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 10 Jun 2014 at 09:08:43, vincent(a)massol.net (vincent(a)massol.net
> > (mailto:vincent@massol.net)) wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Hi Andrea/all,
> > >>>
> > >>> On 10 Jun 2014 at 08:46:45, Andreea Popescu (
andreea.popescu(a)xwiki.com
> > (mailto:andreea.popescu@xwiki.com))
wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> > Hello all,
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Following the "Start supporting IE10 and IE11"
thread I’d like
to
> > propose
> > >>> > to vote if we will support IE10 and IE11.
> > >>>
> > >>> FTR the thread in question is at
> > http://markmail.org/message/zjlbcfkl5cqnrwfk
> > >>>
> > >>> > The most important reasons for supporting these versions are:
> > >>> >
> > >>> > - Internet Explorer 8 and Internet Explorer 9 are still widely
used
> > by
> > >>> > users, but many of them are currently choosing to update to
IE10 and
> > IE11.
> > >>> > - according to netmarketshare.com (Browsers -> Desktop
Share by
> > Version)
> > >>> > from a total of 100%, IE10 is used by 6.85% users and IE11 by
16.61%
> > users.
> > >>> > It’s true that IE10 is not as popular as the older versions
(IE8 -
> > 20.85%
> > >>> > and IE9 - 8.89%), but its usage percentage is still
significant.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Here’s my +1.
> > >>>
> > >>> On the above-mentioned thread Marius had proposed to support only
the
> > latest version of each browser, which is
basically what we’re doing
except
> > for IE. The rationale is that it takes
time to support all browsers
and the
> > community can only do so much. Companies
offering paid services on
top of
> > XWiki could support the other browser
versions for their customers.
> > >>>
> > >>> While I understand that, my POV is a bit different: I’d like that
we
> > support the top browsers/versions used
by the majority of people,
because I
> > feel XWiki will be successful if the
majority of people can use it
without
> > problems.
> > >>>
> > >>> Looking at the graph at
> > http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy
if
> > we were to support at least the top 6
browser/versions we would cover
70%
> > of the user base. For IE this means
supporting IE8-11. Note that
strangely
> > IE8 is the top browser in market shares,
way above most of the
others… Not
> > supporting it ATM would mean
“loosing" 20%+ of users. If we have
problems
> > supporting, say the top 10 browsers,
then we can drop to top 6, if
that’s
> > an issue, then to top 5, etc. ATM we’re
supporting 5 browsers and with
> > IE10-11, this would mean raising to 7 browsers. I propose that we try
it
> > with the additional 2 browsers (IE10-11)
and see if it’s a burden for
us or
> > it’s manageable.
> > >>>
> > >>> So there are 2 questions in here:
> > >>> - Starting the support for IE10-11: I’m +1 for that
> > >>> - Deciding if we want to support only one version for each
browser or
instead support the highest browsers in marketshare.
I’m +1 for the
marketshare approach.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> -Vincent
>>>
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