Hi Caleb,
On Jan 19, 2011, at 7:54 PM, Caleb James DeLisle wrote:
On 01/19/2011 12:13 PM, Vincent Massol wrote:
Hi Caleb,
I see you're excited, that's good! :)
Some general comments:
* This looks more like a design for a transaction module than for a persistence engine. I
don't see anything related to persistence in your proposal below. Your proposal could
work on stuff others than storage, right?
Yes, this proposal only covers the
transaction sub-module of the persistence engine. The so far
un-proposed modules include xwiki-store-serialization, xwiki-store-filesystem and a
legacy
attachment storage module: xwiki-store-filesystem-attachments.
Ok I was misled by the title of your mail "Introduce a new persistence engine".
I guess it could/should have been "Introduce a generic transaction API independent of
the underlying storage implementation", right?
So if we focus purely on the transaction part here are some questions:
* Why don't we use existing standards such as JTA/JTS? See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_Transaction_API
* If we were to define our own API, would we be able to implement it using JTA, ie is it a
higher level transaction API than JTA?
* Imagine we decide to use JCR as the storage implementation, how would this transaction
API integrate with it knowing that JCR integrates with JTA?
(
http://www.day.com/specs/jcr/2.0/21_Transactions.html)
Anything which requires transactions could use the
TransactionRunnable although I'm at a loss to
think of anything other than storage which would require transactions.
* I was expecting to see some
Store/Storage/Persistence interfaces with proposed APIs and explanation on how they could
be implemented both with Hibernate and JCR for example. And the relationship with the
proposed new Model defined.
I don't like to propose an interface until I have
tried to implement it. Also I do not like to
propose an implementation until I have tried to use it. At this point it's far enough
off that I
would rather wait than propose APIs blind.
My experience with attachment store has shown that what we want is a set of functions
which provide
TransactionRunnables to do various things:
aka:
TransactionRunnable<T> getDocumentSaveTransactionRunnable(XWikiDocument toSave);
In a hibernate implementation it would return
TransactionRunnable<HibernateTransaction> and in a JCR
it would return TransactionRunnable<JCRTransaction>.
We cannot have APIs like this until TransactionRunnable is agreed upon these will return
instances
of it.
* I was also expecting a strategy defined to
migrate users from the current implementation of the storage to the new one
IMO we
should change the persistence engine and implement the same schema, once the persistence
engine is rebuilt, then we can consider modifying the schema. The schema is a
specification, it may
not be perfect but it is something to comply with. It is important to me that a we prove
that a new
persistence engine is able comply with existing specifications before we start designing
new ones
around it.
I don't quite agree with this since it assumes this schema is universal which it
definitely is not. It's only a schema that works with RDBMS. It wouldn't work with
an ODBMS or a file system implementation.
Also if there's one thing we shouldn't care about it's the schema. It's
supposed to be opaque for the user and the user has to use the storage API to access it
(and never go directly to the DB). In other words we should be clear that the schema is
not part of the API since that would prevent any modification of it. I don't think we
need this barrier.
Conclusion:
We're doing something really difficult here, which is defining a transaction API
without defining the storage implementation we want to use and thus without defining how
this transaction API would integrate with it. Right now the most common (if not the only
one!) known and standard transaction API in the java world is JTA and most if not all
known storage implementation support it. Thus if we really want a transaction API separate
of the storage implementation I'd be in favor of looking at JTA and see whether it
would fit our needs.
WDYT?
Thanks
-Vincent
I noticed some discussions between Denis and you on IRC about all this. Does you latest
findings change the proposal below?
Everything proposed still holds true but I did
add 2 new features.
1. There is a way for a TransactionRunnable<DBTransaction> to be passed an instance
of DBTransaction
using a new method called getContext().
2. There is a new class which serves what I believe is an edge use case.
Suppose you want to define a TransactionRunnable (we will call it
YourTransactionRunnable) which
must run inside of a DBTransaction but it must _also_ run after an instance of
MyTransactionRunnable.
You can make MyTransactionRunnable a "ProvidingTransactionRunnable<DBTransaction,
MyInterface>" and
then MyTransactionRunnable must run inside of a DBTransaction and we define
YourTransactionRunnable
as a TransactionRunnable<MyInterface>. This also allows MyTransactionRunnable to
share information
since YourTransactionRunnable.getContext() will provide an implementation of MyInterface.
Of course
this feature must be used with care as it provides the tools to write horrible constructs
but IMO it
is the type of feature which when you need it, there is no other way around.
Caleb
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
> On Jan 10, 2011, at 2:15 PM, Caleb James DeLisle wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> I have been working hard on filesystem attachments and I found that synchronizing
manual filesystem
>> transactions with automatic database transactions was a difficult job and I
needed a new tool to do
>> it. So I wrote what I am proposing to be the next XWiki Persistence Engine.
>>
>> I'll start off with the fun part of the proposal, I have been calling it
xwiki-store so far but I am
>> so excited about the capabilities of this engine that I don't think it does
it justice to name it
>> "store" after the place on the corner with milk and eggs. I am
proposing it be named "XWiki
>> Persistence Engine", the directory will be renamed xwiki-persistence, the
artifact name
>> xwiki-core-persistence, and the package name org.xwiki.persistence. Persistence
is an attribute of
>> castles, mountains and redwood trees which I think is fitting for a
conservatively designed storage
>> engine.
>>
>> Now a little explanation of what I'm so excited about:
>> The common and error prone way of saving things in the database is to open a
transaction, enter a
>> try clause, do something then commit. If we catch an exception, then we
rollback.
>> something like this:
>>
>> begin transaction;
>> try {
>> do something;
>> do something else;
>> commit;
>> } catch (Any exception which may occur) {
>> rollback;
>> }
>>
>> There are 3 things which can go wrong. 1 we forget to begin the transaction, 2 we
forget to commit
>> and 3 we do not rollback properly. What makes things worse is often the database
will "assume we
>> meant to..." and things will work ok most of the time which makes things
much worse because bugs
>> will hide very well.
>>
>> My answer to this problem is a class called TransactionRunnable. It provides a
set of 5 empty
>> methods to override: onPreRun(), onRun(), onCommit(), onRollback(), and
onComplete(). the exact
>> circumstances under which each are called is documented in the javadoc comments
here:
>>
http://svn.xwiki.org/svnroot/xwiki/contrib/sandbox/xwiki-store/xwiki-store-…
>> I wrote TransactionRunnable twice, I wrote it, used it for attachments, then
after having real
>> experience as a user, I wrote it again.
>>
>> To repeat our original example with TransactionRunnable you might say this:
>>
>> public class DoSomethingTransactionRunnable extends TransactionRunnable
>> {
>> public void onRun()
>> {
>> do something;
>> do something else;
>> }
>> }
>>
>> Now we can use another TransactionRunnable which opens and closes the transaction
for us.
>>
>> StartableTransactionRunnable transaction = new HibernateTransactionRunnable();
>> new DoSomethingTransactionRunnable().runIn(transaction);
>> transaction.start();
>>
>> the runIn() function allows us to run one TransactionRunnable inside of another.
Supposing we wanted
>> to reuse "do something else" in other places, we can make it a separate
TransactionRunnable and use
>> the runIn() function to hook it to our DoSomethingTransactionRunnable ie:
>>
>> public class DoSomethingTransactionRunnable extends TransactionRunnable
>> {
>> public DoSomethingTransactionRunnable()
>> {
>> new DoSomethingElseTransactionRunnable().runIn(this);
>> }
>> ..
>>
>> The only limitations on running TransactionRunnables inside of one another are
they cannot run more
>> than once and they cannot call themselves (this would be an infinite loop).
>>
>> This pattern makes each job which is done on storage easily isolated and, as I
have so far
>> experienced, trivial to test. However, it still leaves the possibility that we
might forget that
>> DoSomethingTransactionRunnable must be run inside of a hibernate transaction. I
have devised a
>> solution for this too. Using generics, I offered a means for the author of a
TransactionRunnable to
>> communicate to the compiler what other TransactionRunnable their runnable must be
run in and without
>> explicit casting or defining of an intermediary runnable, this requirement cannot
be violated or
>> else it wouldn't compile!
>>
>> Finally we have the issue of starting the runnable. Who's to say I won't
be tired one day and just
>> write new DoSomethingTransactionRunnable().start() without opening a transaction
first? If
>> DoSomethingTransactionRunnable cannot be safely run outside of a transaction all
it needs to do is
>> not extend StartableTransactionRunnable and it won't have any start
function.
>>
>> I have taken a multitude of very easy mistakes and given the author of a
TransactionRunnable the
>> tools to make it very hard for the user to make them. Also, since a
TransactionRunnable has no
>> reason to be very long (it can just branch off into another runnable) this will
make testing and
>> code review easy in the place where it is most important. This part of the code
is entirely generic
>> and has no dependence on hibernate or anything else.
>>
>> I propose we move:
>> contrib/sandbox/xwiki-store/xwiki-store-transaction/
>> to:
>> platform/core/xwiki-persistence/xwiki-persistence-transaction
>>
>> And I will propose moving each additional piece in the coming days.
>>
>> WDYT?
>>
>> Caleb