18 Sep
2014
18 Sep
'14
9:30 a.m.
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 10:13 AM, vincent(a)massol.net <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
On 17 Sep 2014 at 08:57:35, Denis Gervalle (dgl(a)softec.lu(mailto:
dgl(a)softec.lu)) wrote:
Sorry, I wasn't aware. From what I understand of the description I just
read in the issue, the customization will work just once ?
What happen when you have customized the homepage (a) by choosing another
one, or (b) by entering your own content ?
Does the edit button still work differently ?
If so, I support the Main.WebHome is still the only home, and this not what
I am talking about, or you have make some magic.
Can you explain a bit more how your implementation works ?
What I was proposing were more in the line of the "Use this image as my
desktop background" and "Use this image as the login background".
Well, there is also another way to tackle that
problem, which is to make
the HomePage easily configurable.
I have never understand why the home should be Main.WebHome, which does
not
seems meaningful, in particular in french. Even
the Main space is weird,
imagine a Hand space in english ;) (WebHome could also seen weird, while
being more usual words that I feel hurt less, and could be ommitted).
So, back on track, why not having an easy way to say, "set current page
as
the HomePage", and to in fact use the
Dashboard itself as the default
WebHome ?
Why the hell should we have to destroy some interface to have a different
home page ?
WDYT ?
Denis, this is essentially what my Home Page Application does.
From anywhere, any user would be able to say, "Use
this page as my
homepage", and an admin would additionally say "Use this
page as the
default homepage". And that page truly became the home, it is not an
include mechanism, and Main.WebHome could be thrashed.
But it doesn’t solve the main problem: editing the
home page when it’s the
dashboard!
If the home page is no more the actual home page, the discussion about
editing the homepage became pointless. If you point directly to the
Dashboard, and you make the dashboard not editable by default, we are just
fine IMO. Why wanting the home page to be editable when you can edit any
page and make it the home or your home ?
And it doesn’t solve the issue of the explanation of
the concepts.
And it doesn’t invite the user to modify the home page
when it’s a
dashboard.
Regarding these explanations, you simply need a "Get Started" widget on the
Dashboard. This one should not be very detailed, but link to more helpful
information. These information are more a matter of an Help Application
than a HomePage Application. And this Help Application should also be
accessible from the menu, and work with contextual information to be even
more helpful.
Moreover, the home page should be useful for the flavor that install it,
and should not be some fake page that you need to edit to make it useful.
The wiki should work right away, without customization, for the very basic
users.
I hope this clarify my vision of the homepage that I have probably too
briefly define initially.
WDYT ?
Thanks
-Vincent
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On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 3:52 PM,
vincent(a)massol.net
wrote:
>
> On 16 Sep 2014 at 15:47:59, Marius Dumitru Florea (
> mariusdumitru.florea@xwiki.com(mailto:mariusdumitru.florea@xwiki.com))
> wrote:
>
> > We won't have the activity stream on the home page by default. This
is
> > an important change. I can't decide
yet..
>
> Yes I know…
>
> Now we could decide to still have it on the home page. We haven’t
decided
> the content for that new home page yet.
>
> However adding it may intimidate users from editing the page since they
> might be worried about loosing that feature. But it could also be made
> clear that the Wiki’s Activity is available from the Dashboard.
>
> The instructions explaining that the page can be edited could even
give an
> example about how to include the Dashboard
page for those who want to
make
> the home page a dashboard.
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
> > On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 4:23 PM, vincent(a)massol.net wrote:
> > > Hi devs,
> > >
> > > As you know I started working on a Home Page Application, see:
> > > - JIRA with screenshots: http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-10586
> > > - Discussion thread: http://markmail.org/message/ghelufamwucog46x
> > >
> > > I have it all done locally but I refrained from committing it
because
> on the email thread some expressed their
doubts.
> > >
> > > I started thinking about it and I expressed some idea in the thread
> started by Caty about "Wiki - Space - Page concepts pitch":
> http://markmail.org/message/jefze7nvprz36pkw
> > >
> > > I’m pasting it here again for discussion (with some edits):
> > >
> > > "
> > > BTW concerning the home page, I’m more and more leaning towards
> removing the dashboard from it (it’s accessible from the App panel
anyway)
> and instead have it contain:
> > > - explanation about how the wiki is organized (wikis, spaces,
pages)
> > > - explanation about base concepts
(editing, saving, etc)
> > > - encourage the user to edit this home page to make it his own and
put
> the content he wishes instead
> > >
> > > I think this would solve the following issues:
> > > - users always want to customize the home page and this makes it
easy
> (it’s a standard page, no dashboard). This
is also a way for them to
take
> ownership of the wiki as theirs.
> > > - explains the main concepts of wiki, space, page
> > >
> > > Of course, we also need to provide a navigation panel for easy
> navigation in the wiki/spaces/pages.
> > > “
> > >
> > > If we agree about the idea of removing the dashboard and instead
have
> a simple page then we’ll need to discuss the
exact content and for
that I’m
> proposing to discuss with Caty/GuillaumeD
and make a proposal for
further
> discussion. Of course any idea in reply to
this email would also be
much
> appreciated.
> > >
> > > But first things first! We first need to decide if this is a good
idea
or not.
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> WDYT?
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
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