24 Aug
2009
24 Aug
'09
7:39 p.m.
Hi,
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 7:32 PM, Anca Luca <ancapaula.luca(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
You don't get a "new form", it's still part of the same wizard
experience.
Imagine if Eclipse's buttons got hidden or shown at each step of every
wizard, you would find that very disturbing.
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Guillaume Lerouge
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Guillaume Lerouge wrote:
This means 2 buttons that do the same thing but are not located in the same
place not named the same. I can see confusion in our users' eyes already ;-)
Hi Fabio,
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Fabio Mancinelli <
fabio.mancinelli(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
As I told you in our voice conversation, we can have a Next button in the
last
form of the wizard, which would do the very same thing as a finish (except
that
it would be confusing maybe for the user who wouldn't understand what's the
difference between the two, would click a next and have the wizard closed
and
would think that he did smth wrong). On Aug 24, 2009, at 4:47 PM, Anca Luca wrote:
That was also my initial opinion. What would actually happen is that the
"Next" button would disappear when at the last step of the form ;-) To help, imagine the following interaction model
(which we envisage
but it's not
a priority right now): in a wizard step, if the step form is
invalid, the "Next"
button is disabled (for example if the user has to make a selection,
the "Next"
button will only become enabled after the selection has been made).
Now, given
that the "Finish" button would be present on _all_ steps but
disabled, I think
it can become a little confusing for the user, who wouldn't know if
there is
something he needs to select, fill in, etc to enable it.
I'd go for minimal UI (i.e. all buttons on the footer strip, but
invalid buttons
are invisible).
I am not an UI expert but as an Eclipse user this semantics would
confuse me.
When I create a project in Eclipse, for Example, I have the "Finish
button" present on all the wizard forms but disabled (not that Eclipse
is the reference for UIs though :))
It becomes enabled only when I can "finish" the creation process early
or when I am at the end of the wizard and everything validates.
If you hide disabled buttons you end up with with situations where you
have three kinds of "configurations"
1) Enabled buttons
2) Disabled buttons but not hidden (the next button in a wizard when
the form is not complete)
3) Disabled and hidden buttons (like the finish button in you previous
example)
I don't think you want to make the "next" button appear and disappear
as the user edits the form, doesn't you? I think this would be weird
imho. The drawback
with that approach is that the user doesn't know whether
doing
an action (selecting a link for instance) will
"un-disable" a button or
not
-> some buttons will get enabled (say,
"next") while others won't
("finish").
Another drawback I see, although it might not be that bad because we're
talking
only about 3 buttons here, is that the user constantly sees things he
cannot use
(ah look a button "what does this button dooo?" ah cannot use it why?). Why
would the "blinking" be a problem? buttons would only change configuration
from
one step to another. You click a button, you get a new form loaded, with
new
options to go further. Is this an issue? (I'm no expert, I'm just saying).
Thanks,
Anca
We definitely are :-) Let's go for the basics !! That's what people are used
to, it matches the user model... Why would we not want to match the user
model?
Guillaume
In practice there's indeed a "blinking" risk, we might be aiming at the
best
while the good would be enough (yes, that's a
rough translation of a
French
saying).
P.S.: and yes, we might be over-engineering the 3 buttons...
Guillaume
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