1 Oct
2014
1 Oct
'14
10:08 a.m.
Hi,
after discussing with Vincent this morning we came to a suggestion that
would fix my issue with the current location of the add button. The idea
would be to move the search bar to the left of the menu, and put the "Add"
button in its place.
Crude image explanation here:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/hrxlj6n6pztigic/AddButton-Search.png
This way the "Add" button is back in a global menu, not in a menu that is
contextual to the page, yet it stays very visible. In addition to this,
since "Create wiki" is visible only to authorized users, it's not too much
in the way. Last item: this solves the issue of having the "Edit" and "More
actions" buttons separated from one another.
WDYT?
Guillaume
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On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 9:12 AM, Eduard Moraru <enygma2002(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:37 PM, Guillaume Lerouge
<guillaume(a)xwiki.com>
wrote:
IMO it's exactly the same use case, the only difference is that the Actions
in
http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Unique+Identification+…
next
> > to
> > > > > >> > WIKI/SPACE/PAGE)
> > > > > >> > -- it basically is almost in the middle of the
screen
> > > > > >> > - etc. (i.e. others that don`t come right now to
my mind)
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Personally, I like the fact that it is located near the
Edit
> > button,
> > > > > even
> > > > > >> if it does not concern the current page. Because it
groups the
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Hi,
On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
this
On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:24 PM, Guillaume
Lerouge <
me(a)guillaumelerouge.com>
wrote:
enygma2002(a)gmail.com
> >:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > Hi devs,
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > I`m not sure if we already have a discussion
started on Hi,
On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Guillaume Lerouge <
guillaume(a)xwiki.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Marius,
> > >
> > > On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea <
> > > mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Guillaume Lerouge <
> > guillaume(a)xwiki.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Hi again,
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Guillaume
"Louis-Marie"
> Delhumeau <
> > > > > gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Hi Eddy,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> 2014-09-25 11:59 GMT+02:00 Eduard Moraru < > > > topic,
> > > > > but
> > > > > >> in
> > > > > >> > my opinion, it's long overdue. I see people
start being
> confused
> > > and
> > > > > >> > questions like this [1] start to be asked.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > The new location of the Add menu in Flamingo is
problematic
> IMO
> > > for
> > > > a
> > > > > >> > various number of reasons:
> > > > > >> > - It falsely gives the impression that it adds
page-related
> > > entries
> > > > > (i.e.
> > > > > >> > related to the current page), due to its current
location
> (i.e.
> > in
> > > > the
> > > > > >> page
> > > > > >> > content)
> > > > > >> > - It conflicts with AWM`s "Add new
Entry" button
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > More generally speaking, this is true for a lot of
livetables.
We
the
> > user
> > > > > > directory, for all the AWM homepages...
> > > > >
> > > > > I guess you like the files live table from the File Manager
then
>
would
> > > > need a generic "Create" button to be available when we
instantiate
> a
> > > > > livetable. This could be useful for the wiki index page, for
:)
http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/File+Manager+Applicati…
> >
>
> > >
> >
>
> > > > > . Would be interesting
to have such a toolbar (with support for
> > custom
> > > > > buttons) before the live table don't you think?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > IMO the toolbar's functionality is already covered by the
'Actions'
>
column
> > in the livetable. The only thing missing is the 'Create'
> >
>
> I'm not sure this is the same use case. I can see at least 3 reasons
why:
column was used as an intermediate solution
because we didn't had bulk
actions in livetable (the ability to make multiple entity selection
(checkbox) - that's why we duplicate the entries on each row).
Great, this means that we agree on the fact that the "Actions" column
should be replaced by a "Select" column with checkboxes in it, and also
that Marius' horizontal livetable toolbar should be expanded to be used a generic fashion by all livetables :-)
Not completely replaced because not all operations/actions can be performed
in bulk fashion. Take the 'edit' action and notice that it is a single
element action compared to 'delete'.
A different situation exists for the 'rename' action since it is more of a
single element action, but can be presented as a bulk action as well if you
provide some kind of renaming template like '<prefix>_<number>'.
In other words, both the bulk operations toolbar and the actions column
have their right place in the livetable IMO and having a checkbox column
like Marius did for the FM livetable looks like the right way to go.
Thanks,
Eduard
Guillaume
this
Thanks,
Caty
>
> 1/ The "create" button would generate a new entry, whereas the
"actions"
> column is for actions that are related to
individual entries that
already
> exist
> 2/ The "actions" column can be removed by the livetable creator
> 3/ The toolbar would also be useful to handle bulk actions on pages
such
as
> "delete selected entries" (as in the file manager)
>
> Best,
>
> Guillaume
>
> Thanks,
> > Caty
> >
> >
> >
> > > Yes and yes :-)
> > >
> > > Guillaume
> > >
> > >
> > > > > Basically the button would let the user create a new item of
the
> > same
> > > > > type
> > > > > > than the items displayed in the livetable. Right now we do
in
> an
> > > > > ad-hoc fashion, so it would be great to have a generic
solution.
It's
> > > also
> > > > related to the automatic page name generation module (that we
don't
> > have
> > > in
> > > > the core yet, though there's an extensions doing it
> > > > <
> > >
> >
>
> > > >
> > > > ).
> > > >
> > > > Guillaume
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> > - from my POV, looking at the page from a far, the new
location
> > looks
> > > >> > completely randomly selected:
> > > >> > -- It's not on the left/top (as left-to-right language
specific
> > > brains
> > > > >> are
> > > > >> > trained to follow)
> > > > >> > -- it's not exactly at the top either
> > > > >> > -- it's not at the right
> > > > >> > -- it's not next to the type of elements it creates
(i.e. > > most
> > > > > basic
> > > > > >> and useful actions that you need when you want to
contribute:
> > EDIT,
> > > > ADD.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> To me, it makes sense.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > I`d like to open a discussion on this, since
it's quite an
> > > important
> > > > > >> aspect
> > > > > >> > of the UI and, due to it's shiny green color
(which I like
> :)),
> > > it`s
> > > > > hard
> > > > > >> > to miss.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Is it just me who's resistant to change, or do
others see
a
> problem
> > > here
> > > >> > with this as well?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Thanks,
> > > >> > Eduard
> > > >> >
> > > >> > ----------
> > > >> > [1] http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/rqcxryksa2ckjhpm
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