18 Dec
2015
18 Dec
'15
9:05 a.m.
G is to me the priority in what you mentioned. When looking at how users of
the wiki syntax create links, I have seen that a lot of them does not
understand, care, or bother to use doc references, probably because they
are not concerned by the impact using a full URL has. So G is also for me a
good way to show them the right practice and to also fix old usage that was
bad.
For the wiki editor, I am not sure a feature like E is what I would like,
but it does not hurt. F would be very helpful and probably my second
priority here, especially if we care about making the operation doable only
using the keyboard (vi like).
C is of course helpful, and a must have if we decide to make the
autocompletion extension bundled.
And as Guillaume, I also had in mind the magical way, which intercept the
URL and transform it to a link. We should however be careful with too much
magic, being smart like this will require also taking care of the context,
to still allow pasting URL when needed (inside a code macro, inside a url:
link, etc…)
Thanks,
On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Guillaume Lerouge <guillaume(a)xwiki.com>
wrote:
I like G too. Most of the time, when creating a wiki
link to a page I have
that page open in another tab.
If its URL could be intercepted and automagically turned into a wiki link,
that would be very nice.
In addition to this, given B (automatically display page title for wiki
links), it could reduce the total number of steps to 3:
1. Go to page you want to link to (Target Page).
a. Copy URL
2. Go to page where you want to add the link (Source Page)
a. Paste URL
3. Save
=> that would be quite cool...
Thanks,
Guillaume
On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 3:41 PM, vincent(a)massol.net <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
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On 17 Dec 2015 at 15:38:08, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) (valicac(a)gmail.com
(mailto:valicac@gmail.com)) wrote:
becauses
Ideally I like C and E.
Note that E doesn’t solve all use cases… while G does :)
For example how many times I have to edit wiki pages on xwiki.org users have pasted full URLs in wiki links instead
of references! the
problem with full URLs is that 1) they don’t work with refactoring
(renames
for ex) and 2) they’re displayed as external
links.
Thanks
-Vincent
when
Thanks,
Caty
On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 3:56 PM, vincent(a)massol.net
wrote:
> Hi devs,
>
> A user has reported the following, mentioning it was taking a lot of
> steps, and we’ve all experimented that creating wiki links could be
easier:
> >
> > “
> > 1. Go to page you want to link to (Target Page).
> > a. Copy URL
> > 2. Go to page where you want to add the link (Source Page)
> > 3. Edit it using Wiki Syntax Editor
> > 4. Create the link
> > i. Write [[
> > ii. write label
> > iii. write >>
> > iv. paste the link pointing to Target Page
> > v. Remove https://w.amazon.com/bin/view from pasted link
> > vi. Replace manually all encoded URL strings (like + and other
> > symbols)
> > vii. Replace “/” with “.”
> > viii. Add WebHome
> > ix. write ]]
> > 5. Save
> > 6. Done.
> > "
> >
> > So I’d like to brainstorm about what we could do to make it easier to
> > creating wiki links.
> >
> > Some ideas:
> >
> > A) Remove step 4. ix with http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-12920
> >
> > B) The label>> parts (steps ii and iii) can be omitted, especially > the
link label generation is configured to use titles
>
> C) The real solution for me is autocomplete on links:
> http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-206 This should probably be
> implemented in the autocomplete extension: see
>
http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/AutoCompletion+API
> and
>
>
> D) Using CTRL+G helps since it provides the reference and helps in
finding
> the page to link to. It can be considered as
a simplified
autocomplete, ie
> a simplified impl for C).
>
> E) Marius mentioned elsewhere: "I would also like to have a common
Insert
> Link dialog between the CKEditor and the
Wiki Editor. You click on a
button
> on the tool bar, you get a dialog where you
can search for the target
page
> (or select it from the tree) and then click
Insert, which will
generate the
> wiki syntax for your. The Insert Link dialog
can have a shortcut key
for
> quick access. Of course autocomplete is
nicer but it's more work,
while the
> Insert Link dialog is a must for the
CKEditor anyway.”
>
> F) Marius mentioned elsewhere: "We can also implement a dedicated
"Insert
> Reference" dialog for the Wiki Editor
that offers a text input where
you
> can paste an URL and the dialog attempts to
extract the entity
reference
> > from the URL and inserts it in the Wiki Editor text area to be used >
links but also for macros or anywhere where you might need a document
> reference. This can be implemented as an XWiki extension.”
>
> G) Add the ability to paste a full URL in the reference part of wiki
links
> and upon save the Rendering will
automatically transform it into a
document
> > reference if it’s a local link. And if you want a real url for a link
it’s a
> then you’d need to use the “url:” prefix.
Implementation: One
relatively
> simple solution is to parse the URL (using
a
> ResourceTypeResolver/ResourceReferenceResolver) and then serialize it
and
> > verify if the result matches the passed URL. If it does it means > > local URL.
> >
> > H) Caty mentioned elsewhere: "We could display the reference of a
page
in:
we
> a. a Permalink dialog (containing the URL +
reference) that the user
can
> > copy paste in browser input or editor
> > b. Information tab
> > c. other?”
> >
> >
> > IMO the best (possibly not the easiest) are C) and G). With those 2 >
would get:
> * easy pasting of existing URLs
> * easily finding the page you want to link to when you don’t have its
URL
> >
> > Now, even if we agree to do C) and G) in the future I still think all
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ideas (ie. E, F and H) could also be implemented.
WDYT?
Thanks
-Vincent
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