28 Nov
2008
28 Nov
'08
11:50 a.m.
Hi,
I'm non-binding +1 for 4) .
I think the 2 most important reasons why I like it better are:
* Easy to use: users are guided throughout the process, one action at a time
2 steps do not seem excessive to me, it's still gonnna be real quick and it
adapts well to the various use cases we are faced with (insert link, insert
image etc). It has both the benefits from the wizard and the treeview. I
think it is a great middle ground between our various proposals.
* The dialog size is fixed, action buttons are always at the same position
on screen
=> this one is specifically important to me. 480*480 is a good medium ground
between a generic, small-footprint dialog box size that can be used for most
purposes (from a treeview to a file upload) and it would fit well on an
EEEpc 900's screen (which is probably the lowest common denominator in terms
of screen resolutions we should be able to support: 1024*600, especially
given how ubiquitous small laptops are becoming these days).
Having dialog boxes with a consistent look & feel (same location for
buttons) is very important since it will make user expectations much easier
to manage => the same kind of button always located at the same place will
greatly improve usability.
Guillaume
On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 11:19 AM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
On Nov 27, 2008, at 9:14 PM, Jean-Vincent Drean wrote:
Why do you say that? With your argument every user is dumb and would
not be able to use a computer at all. Have you every seen a computer
OS screen when there's only 1 button and wizards to go to the next
step? Come on, look at your screen, and see all the buttons and places
you can click (right now when typing this I can see at least 100
locations I can click and I'm on a Mac, reputed for being easy to
use). Life is not just a wizard! :)
I agree we should not make complex screen but there's a fine line
between complex and useful. I even don't disagree with option 4 even
though I don't think it's required (unless we wanted to make it work
on mobile devices for ex but then it's a completely different skin
that we would need and it would be pretty stupid to use a mobile
device design on large screens since you'd loose lots of screen estate).
Ok back to constructive comments:
What about 2 buttons on the first screen:
* Insert
* More Options...
If you click insert you're done and the image is inserted right away.
If you click options... then we have 2 possibilities: 1) it opens a
drawer or 2) you go to the second screen. In the drawer/second screen
you would specify additional stuff like image size, advanced style
parameters, etc.
It's not as good as option 3 but it's close since you can skip one
step by clicking "Insert" right away. Also "our super dumb users"
would not see the options immediately so they would not run away :)
WDYT?
I agree it's not a big deal. Still I'm unsure why we need 2 screens.
The one argument that seems valid to me is screen estate but then I'm
not sure it wouldn't fit (we need to have it work on 1024x768 and not
lower since all our site is made to work on 1024x768).
[snip]
Thanks
-Vincent
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On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 8:02 PM, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
Couldn't we show the images in the tree (as thumbnails)?
In several wikis/CMS I've seen they use a media browser showing
thumbnails of pictures and this looks a good way to select the picture
to me. If I have to open all nodes to see the pictures below it might
be hard to select the picture I want. It might be better to list all
pictures found in a given space or wiki (still using a live grid so
that performances are not penalized of course).
Maybe a checkbox to switch from treeview to image browser?
Re the image selection:
* It would be much much better to see the images before choosing them
(the preview comes too late). You cannot choose an image on its name
alone that's too hard.
The only solution I see for this is to have a tooltip with a preview
in the treeview. * What is
the camera icon doing? Is it just an image?
Yes.
* How do I enter advanced parameters for images?
This mockup is about the wiki explorer, I've put the example of the
image insertion but this part is not to be taken as a proposal.
Apart from this it looks good to me but I still
have a small
preference for 3 since
- as a user I prefer to see all options to understand where I'll find
the feature I'm looking for
s/user/power user/ -
it's one click less
IMHO an extra click is only a problem if the user has to think where
to click and why to click.
I agree that 2 or more extra clicks are a problem but only one, with
the action button always at the very same place, no.