7 Jun
2016
7 Jun
'16
11:17 a.m.
On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 11:27 AM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
On 07 Jun 2016, at 09:37, Guillaume Delhumeau
<
guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
Moving Tour Application into platform makes sense to me (it becomes a
critical component and deserves a proper support).
For me, it’s really about the definition of what the
XWiki github org
represents. Right now with the new strategy == “Everything needed for the
default XWiki runtime, a.k.a base/default flavor” (what we’ve been calling
XE so far but that we’ll slim down a bit, for example by removing the Blog
app and move it to contrib).
"Everything needed for the default XWiki runtime" is a bit vague. I hope
we're not going to move code from platform to contrib and back each time we
decide to not bundle or bundle some extension.
Now we could still decide to have some flavor in contrib and have the tour
app included in that flavor but not in “the default XWiki runtime”. In
practice this would mean promoting this flavor instead of the base/default
flavor. The question will arise anyway when we next talk about other
flavors that we may want to have in contrib such a KB flavor, workgroup
flavor, web flavor, etc.
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Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhumeau(a)xwiki.com)
Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS
Committer on the XWiki.org project
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However, the current
application supports XWiki >= 6.4.1. By moving it to platform, we will
only
support the last XWiki version.
This is a tough topic indeed. For the tour there’s the solution of keeping
it in contrib and introducing a flavor but for CKEditor it’s harder to
justify that it’s not part of the base flavor IMO but maybe it’s possible
and we would offer only the wiki editor in the base flavor. Of course we
could modify our functional tests fwk to support running on various
versions of the dependencies and have CI builds to ensure that an extension
works with all versions but it’s not perfect and it would mean that for the
first time we would have code in the xwiki github org that would not use
the latest APIs/latest JDK features.
The other option is Marius’s, i.e. accept that we hand-pick some
extensions from contrib that we bundle in the base/default flavor such as
the Tour app, CKEditor integration, etc. In this case, we would just need
to redefine what “xwiki github org” means. Saying “core component” would
not be enough, it would needs a more precise definition.
Interesting topic ;)
Any other option that we have?
Thanks
-Vincent
2016-06-06 15:31 GMT+02:00 Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net>et>:
>
>> On 06 Jun 2016, at 15:24, Marius Dumitru Florea <
> mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 3:58 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>> On 06 Jun 2016, at 14:50, Marius Dumitru Florea <
>>> mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 3:09 PM, Alexandru Cotiuga <
>>>> alexandru.cotiuga(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>
>>>>> As it was decided already, a Homepage Tour have to be implemented.
>>> However,
>>>>> no option regarding the place where the Tour Application should be
>>> added as
>>>>> dependency was discussed.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are some possible options:
>>>>> 1) XWiki Enterprise
>>>>> 2) XWiki Platform Distribution
>>>>> 3) XWiki Platform Helper
>>>>>
>>>>> 4) Is there any option to have the Tour Application as a part of the
>>> Core ?
>>>>>
>>>>> What would be the best way to include the Contrib applications in
> XWiki?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On this topic (sorry if I hijack your thread) I was wondering why
don't
>>> we
>>>> have dependencies from platform/enterprise to contrib. We have lots
of
>>>> third party dependencies, contrib
could be considered as such.
> Moreover,
>>>> we're in the process of moving non-core (vertical) extensions out of
>>>> platform to contrib. It would be a pity to move something from
contrib
> to
>>>> platform and then back to contrib. I have the same issue with the
>>> CKEditor
>>>> Integration extension. We want CKEditor as the default editor,
bundled
>>> with
>>>> the default distribution, but do we need to move it to platform? Same
> for
>>>> the Welcome Tour.
>>>
>>> I’d personally not like this for the following reasons:
>>>
>>>
>>
>>> 1) I like that the XWiki runtime is all released at once with all
>>> extensions making it using the same versions and verified to work
> together.
>>>
>>
>> XWiki runtime has lots of third party dependencies. Bootstrap, Solr,
>> jQuery, just to name a few. I don't see how having the source code in
our
>> repo (platform) makes a difference at
runtime when the
>> integration/functional tests verify they work together.
>
> Because they don’t! :) Just check any extension in contrib and you’ll
see
> their func test (when they have some!) don’t
test that they work with
the
> latest version of XWiki…
>
>> 2) Support. The XWiki runtime is supported by the XWiki Core Dev Team.
>>> Extensions in contrib are not supported by the XWiki Core Dev Team.
>>
>>
>> So the FAQ application you moved out of platform is no longer supported
> by
>> the XWiki Core Dev Team?
>
> Correct.
>
>> The extension page
>> http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/FAQ+Application
>> doesn't reflect this.
>
> I added my name to the list as a supporter. I’ve kept “XWiki Dev Team”
> because it's a past authors and it wouldn’t make sense to remove it. But
> yes it’s no longer officially supported by the XWiki Core Dev Team.
>
> Note that e.x.o doesn’t say who maintains a given extension, it just
says
> who participated to developing it ;) We’re
currently missing the info on
> whether the extension is actively supported and by whom. FTR Confluence
> does this with a “supported” label that you can hover over and provides
> info. For example:
>
https://marketplace.atlassian.com/plugins/nl.avisi.confluence.plugins.numbe…
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
>> In addition xwiki-contrib is very open and anyone can make
modifications
>>> there and quality is thus harder to
guarantee.
>>>
>>> We defined the xwiki github organization as containing horizontal
> modules,
>>> ie modules that can be required for any flavor and both CKEditor and
the
>>> Tour Application fit the need. By
opposition to vertical modules which
> make
>>> sense only for some use cases (like the Meeting Manager app) and not
by
>>> default in XE. We have the option of
having flavors in contrib for
> those if
>>> we want though. For CKEditor it’s not a good thing since we’d like it
by
>>> default.
>>>
>>> One alternative (which I’m not fond of at all) would be to have
ckeditor
> as a separate git repo in the xwiki github
organization.
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
>> Thanks,
>> Marius
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Alex
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