Re: [xwiki-devs] [Proposals] Menu improvements when Workspaces activated

+1, I like this idea. Anyone else?

2013/9/18 Denis Gervalle <dgl(a)softec.lu> > Looking at the screenshots, I was wondering if we shouldn't use the same > "HOME" label for the single wiki case, since the wiki name has no real > meaning, and it could became the home of a workspace environment, or of

> multiwiki farm. This would make it more consistent over time, than

> the "Wiki: xwiki" changing to "HOME" when a subwiki is created. I am

> talking about the menu label here, not the content. > > WDYT ? > > > On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < > gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: > >> You can see some screenshots in the JIRA: >> http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9475 >> >> Thanks, >> LM >> >> >> 2013/9/18 Fabio Mancinelli &lt;fabio.mancinelli(a)xwiki.com&gt; >> >>> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau >>> &lt;gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: >>>> Indeed, the proposal A was based on >>>> >> >

>>>> of http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu

>>>> >>>> Then I suggest to call your proposal: E. >>>> >>>> Let me recap: >>>> >>>> - Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu". >>>> >>>> - Proposal B : XWiki right side menu >>>> >>>> - Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu >>>> >>>> - Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo. >>>> >>>> - Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty. >>>> >>> >>> I like both B and E. >>> >>> I liked E because it keeps the left area the same. Since all the wikis >>> are equal, so it should be the area for manipulating it. But since the >>> main wiki is "more equal" than the others, it's good to show it. I >>> understand the problem of E but I cannot think of another place where >>> to put this menu. >>> >>> What I don't like of E is just the "home" label. >>> Home will become too overloaded. Every wiki has a home, now with that >>> menu there will be a home which is the home of the main wiki. >>> >>> I cannot think of a better alternative besides "Main" that suffers of >>> the same problem (since every wiki has a Main space). >>> Maybe calling it "XWiki" can really be a possible solution. >>> >>> -Fabio >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> About E: >>>> Some issues IMHO: >>>> - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home wiki > and >>>> when you are in the subwiki. >>>> - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the > users >>> and >>>> the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? Can't > it >>> be >>>> confusing? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) &lt;valicac(a)gmail.com&gt; >>>> >>>>> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net >> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> You forgot one proposal which I like: >>>>>> >>>>>> == Proposal D == >>>>>> >>>>>> * Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left) >>>>>> * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current > wiki >>>>>> * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow >> navigating >>>>>> either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of other >>> wikis >>>>>> * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover > over >>> the >>>>>> logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with > first >>>>> entry >>>>>> = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second entry > with >>>>> "Wiki >>>>>> Index" for example. >>>>>> >>>>>> What I like with this is that the user is already used to use the >>> logo as >>>>>> a way to navigate to the home of wiki. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> -Vincent >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau < >>>>>> gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi developers. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate >>>>> Workspace >>>>>> in >>>>>>> XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA: >>>>>>> http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when >>>>>> Workspaces >>>>>>> activated". >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2 >> (which >>> was >>>>>>> scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull >> request. I >>>>> have >>>>>>> also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> == Proposal A == >>>>>>> There is some screenshots (Proposal A): >>>>>>> Logged as admin: >>>>>>> >>>

>>>>>>> Not logged as admin: >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >> >

>>>>>>> >>>>>>> You can get it from this commit: >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >> >

>>>>>>> (except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot) >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal >>>>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu >>>>> >>>>> In your screenshot is: >>>>> * Home >>>>> ** Administer Main Wiki >>>>> ** Wiki Directory >>>>> >>>>> What it was proposed: >>>>> * Home >>>>> ** Administration >>>>> ** Wikis Index >>>>> ** .... >>>>> >>>>> >>> >> >

>>>>> >>>>> >>> >> >

>>>>> >>>>> >>> >> >

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>>>>> >>>>> The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of >>> content' >>>>> inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> == Proposal B == >>>>>>> Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in > 5.2M2, >>> so we >>>>>>> started to iterate until having this proposal: >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >> >

>>>>>>> B). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the > left >>>>> side, >>>>>> we >>>>>>> have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can > actually >>>>>> achieve >>>>>>> on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer", > "Delete" >>> or >>>>>>> "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, it >> just >>>>>>> provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's > more a >>>>>> "System" >>>>>>> menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why > we >>> put >>>>> it >>>>>>> there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less >>>>> confusing. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content >> organization >>>>> hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page. >>>>> You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content || > User". >>> The >>>>> "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your >>> location in >>>>> the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User related >>> actions. >>>>> >>>>> Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to > customize >>>>> their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making it >> their >>>>> own. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> == Proposal C == >>>>>>> We had also this idea: >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >> >

>>>>>>> But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the > "Main >>> Wiki" >>>>>>> link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like >>>>>>> "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Crowded and serves as a double function. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --- >>>>>>> After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What >> should I >>>>> do? >>>>>> Do >>>>>>> I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes, >>> because he >>>>>>> wanted to have something to show to the community that can still >> be >>>>>> changed >>>>>>> for the RC1, and he applied the pull request. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal): >>>>>>> Current implementation: >>>>>>> >>>

>>>>>>> Mockup with the new skin: >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >> >

>>>>>>> >>>>>>> B - "XWiki" right menu: >>>>>>> >>>>> >>

>>>>>>> >>>>>>> C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu: >>>>>>> >> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion, >>>>>> regarding >>>>>>> one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We > must >>> have >>>>> a >>>>>>> consensus for the RC1! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy). >>>>>>> +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO). >>>>>>> -1 for proposal C. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed: >>>>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu >>>>> >>>>> (Wiki / (sub)wiki) >>>>> * Home >>>>> ** Administration >>>>> ** --- >>>>> ** Wikis Index/Directory >>>>> ** Documents Index >>>>> >>>>> (Home/mainwiki) >>>>> * Home >>>>> ** Watch Home >>>>> ** Administer Home >>>>> ** --- >>>>> ** Wikis Index >>>>> ** Documents Index >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Caty