30 Sep
2015
30 Sep
'15
4:05 p.m.
On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 11:16 AM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <
gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
2015-09-30 10:58 GMT+02:00 vincent(a)massol.net
<vincent(a)massol.net>et>:
I don't agree at all on this later statement. New apps _may_ work
differently and create nested pages, but it _should_ not.
Anyway, this is why I am wondering about properly separating WebHome, Code
and Data.
I do not think we need stable names, but the structure matter. If Data does
not look nice, you may leave apps decide for themselves, the rules being
put your data in subspaces, and code in the Code subspace, or something
like that. Please note that using "space" in the previous rules looks bad
to me, since we do not have space anymore ;)
On 30 Sep 2015 at 10:53:48, Thomas Mortagne (thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com
(mailto:thomas.mortagne@xwiki.com)) wrote:
The idea of Thomas is an option to only delete *terminal* pages located in
the space with a depth of 1. Said differently, the direct and terminal
children of the page.
This way, you can delete all data located in the space without removing the
code (because the code would be located in a deeper depth), but it works
only if the app generates data as terminal pages. It is the case right now,
but new apps should work differently and create their data as regular
Nested Pages.
I think what I like best is some option in the
refactoring API to
indicate that you want to delete only final documents in the space (so
skipping space home page and spaces).
That could be interesting for some use cases but it’s risky for this one.
Several apps may generate terminal pages and users could create terminal
pages in app spaces too. So that would not just remove the app technical
pages, it could remove more.
That is why I don't think it's the correct way to go.
We need this option: delete this page and its children *except* the "Code"
page and its children. This option could be proposed by the app itself, as
a "clean data" functionality.
The other solution is to not change the current best practices and let the
code in an other space.
now
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Thanks
-Vincent
> On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 10:29 AM, vincent(a)massol.net wrote:
> >
> > On 30 Sep 2015 at 10:28:54, Thomas Mortagne (
thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com
(mailto:thomas.mortagne@xwiki.com)) wrote:
to
>
>> On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 10:22 AM, vincent(a)massol.net wrote:
>> > Hi Denis,
>> >
>> > On 30 Sep 2015 at 09:49:28, Denis Gervalle (dgl(a)softec.lu(mailto:
dgl(a)softec.lu)) wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Well, I have not yet look in details the new features for page
> >> >> manipulation, but I was wondering if there will be a simple way
delete
space
>> >> application data without
deleting the application itself with the
model you
> >> >> propose ?
> >> >> I know there is already issue with that about the WebHome which
> >> >> is usually an entry point to the application, but deleting a
was
> >> >> possible. If the code is nested under the data, isn't it an
issue.
It looks
the
>> >> like the opposite of the
general way (not xwiki way, but in
application in
> >> >> general), where the code abstract more or less the location of
data and
propose
>> >> is the "main" part.
>> >>
>> >> So, I am not sure actually, that this is the best way. Maybe code
and data
>> >> should be side by side under a
entry point documents ?
>> >
>> > You mean something like:
>> >
>> > MyApp
>> > |_ Data/
>> > |_ Code/
>> > |_ WebHome
>> >
>> > (Instead of leaving it free for apps to decide where to put the
data
they generate)
>> >
>> > We could indeed standardize on the location of where an app puts
the
data it generates in a “Data" space.
>>
>> The problem with that is the forced /Data/ part of the URL which is
>> really not nice.
>
> Good point, that’s a no go IMO.
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
>> > Even without this, to remove an app you’d simply remove the Code/
space (+ the WebHome).
>> >
>> > So your proposal of a standardized Data directory doesn’t
contradict
my proposal, it’s actually an additional proposal, so I guess
you agree about the 2 rules? (you didn’t mention anything about rule 2).
>> >
>> > Thanks!
>> > -Vincent
>> >
>> >> On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 8:22 AM, vincent(a)massol.net
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Ping! There’s only Thomas and Gaby who answered so far :)
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks
>> >> > -Vincent
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On 27 Sep 2015 at 21:19:43, vincent(a)massol.net (
vincent(a)massol.net) wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Hi devs,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Following our implementation of NS/NP in 7.2 I’d like to
2 new
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/ApplicationDevelopmentBestPra…
>> >> > best practices for app dev
that we would list at
>> >> >
>>
>> >
>> >> > 1) New rule 1: “Code” subspace
>> >> >
>> >> > Current text:
>> >> > * Generally, put all your pages in a single space dedicated for
the
>> >> > application you're
developing (e.g. Faq, Scheduler, IRC,
AppWithinMinutes,
>> >> > etc). The name must be as
short as possible while still being
>> >> > understandable of course and without overusing abbreviations.
>> >> >
>> >> > New version:
>> >> > * Generally, put all your pages in a single space dedicated for
the
>> >> > application you're
developing (e.g. Faq, Scheduler, IRC,
AppWithinMinutes,
> >> >> > etc). The name must be as short as possible while still
being
> >> >> > understandable of course and without overusing
abbreviations.
> >> >> > * Technical pages should be put in a subspace named “Code”
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Note: this rule can only be applied for new applications for
since the
it
>> >> > EM doesn’t know how to
follow renames currently so for example
if I move
>> >> > pages from the FAQCode
space to the FAQ.Code space, when EM
upgrades the
> >> >> > app, it’ll display all pages in FAQCode as deleted (basically
considers
for
>> >> > all pages in FAQ.Code as
new pages and pages in FAQCode as
deleted pages).
> >> >> > Note: I’ve created http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-12622
this.
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>> >
> >> > 2) New rule 2:
> >> >
> >> > * Technical pages without children must be terminal pages.
> >> >
> >> > WDYT?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks
> >> > -Vincent
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