Re: [xwiki-devs] [Vote] Add a cache directory concept and make the XWiki launch faster (was: Move the caches files to permdir and make the launch of XWiki faster)

16 Feb 2015

+1

Thanks,
Marius

On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 6:13 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau
&lt;gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote:
...
  Thanks for your answers.

 I change the name of this thread since my proposal has changed:

 1 - Add getCacheDirectory() in the class Environment:

https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-commons/blob/master/xwiki-commons-core/xwiki…

 It means breaking an interface.

 2 - Add a cache directory setting in xwiki.properties, to change this
 directory if needed (for example: set a directory on a faster disk)

 3 - For our distributions, set this cache directory in a folder inside our
 distributions (for example a "cache" directory aside the "data"
directory).
 This setting can be changed by the user.

 4 - Do not purge the LESS cache on startup.
 (see my previous mail for this)

 5 - add a new module that pre-generate the LESS cache file to make the
 first XWiki launch faster
 (see my previous mail for this)

 +1 for all of this.

 Thanks,

 2015-02-15 8:55 GMT+01:00 Marius Dumitru Florea <
 mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com&gt;gt;:

  On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 2:09 AM, Eduard Moraru
&lt;enygma2002(a)gmail.com&gt;
 wrote:
  On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Thomas Mortagne
<  thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com
   wrote:

  As I discussed with Guillaume before he send the
proposal (but he felt
 it was to much for his need) the best IMO is to add the concept cache
 directory in Environment and conf file. It's not temp files and it's
 not really permanent files either. 

 +1 to that reasoning. 
 +1 too,

 Thanks,
 Marius

 Thanks,
 Eduard

> Basically I want to do that since a
> while now mostly because I would like to be able to setup the Debian
> package by default to put those files in /var/cache/xwiki/.
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 7:13 AM, Marius Dumitru Florea
> &lt;mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote:
> > On Feb 13, 2015 8:39 PM, "Denis Gervalle" &lt;dgl(a)softec.lu&gt;
wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Guillaume,
> >>
> >
> >> 1)  -1, this break the FHS which definitely separate caches from
> permanent
> >> data, and for a couple of good reason, you may want to put them on
> >> different partition, using faster disk, or even in memory disk. So I 
do
 > > not
> >> find very clever to put all cache files into the permanent directory.
> What
> >> would be the purpose of a temporary directory if it was not for that
> >> purpose.
> >
> > I agree with Denis. Caches are temporary files for me, but temporary
> > doesn't mean they have to be deleted after each restart.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Marius
> >
> >> 2) +1, but with some way to force the purge, so annoying problem 
still
 > get
> >> a solution
> >> 3) +1, it would be very helpful to have faster startup when testing. 
I
 > >> would not put the file into the
cache in the distribution, but in a  skin
 > >> folder or something, and it could
simply copy the file in place of
> >> generating it for the default skin. So this could work on any
> > distribution,
> >> and it could also solve your temporary folder issue.
> >>
> >> wdyt ?
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 5:55 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau
<
> >> gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hi.
> >> >
> >> > Currently, XWiki is quite long to start, and this is mainly 
because of
 > > the
> >> > LESS compiler which generates the CSS file of the skin.
> >> >
> >> > Fortunately, we cache the results of the compilation in the LESS
> cache,
> >> > which is stored in the file-system (this is important).
> >> >
> >> > Some actions can be done to make the launch quicker:
> >> >
> >> > 1 - Not purge the cache at startup.
> >> > The idea is to keep the cache of the previous launch of XWiki, so
 LESS
 > >> > would have nothing to compile
anymore. This does not solve the  first
 > > launch
> >> > issue, but it is a great progress anyway. The disadvantage of this
 is
 > > that
> >> > restarting XWiki will not solve any issue related to a bad cached
 file
 > > (ex:
> >> > a buggy CSS file stored in the cache will still be there after a
> > restart.
> >> > The only way to fix this is to re-save the buggy LESS resource).
> >> >
> >> > Note that this behaviour can easily be changed by modifying a 
config
 > > file:
> >> >
> >> >
> >
> 
http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/LESS+Module#HCacheStra…
 > >> >
> >> > 2 - During the build of XE, run an integration test that performs a
> > simple
> >> > view request to XWiki in order to make the LESS compiler builds the
> CSS
> >> > file and pushes it into the cache. After the integration test, we
 just
 > > copy
> >> > the generated LESS cache file into the Jetty/HSQLDB distribution,
 and
 > so
> >> > when you launch XWiki from this distribution, you use the
> pre-generated
> >> > cache.
> >> >
> >> > Of course it could only work for our Jetty distributions that users
> test
> >> > locally. It will not solve the issue on production servers. But it
 is
 > >> > already good that a user have a
good impression by starting XWiki
> > quickly
> >> > on her computer.
> >> >
> >> > I have made a proof of concept on a branch [1] and the thing is
> working
> >> > well. The first request to XWiki is really faster.
> >> >
> >> > The only blocking point I have now is that the current cache 
directory
 > > is
> >> > currently configured to be the temporary directory. Instead, I 
need to
 > > use
> >> > a directory from the distribution (where I can put my pre-generated
> > cache
> >> > files). I have solved this locally by setting an absolute path to
 my
 > > "data"
> >> > folder [2], but it is not clean.
> >> >
> >> > Thomas suggested me to configure all the caches to use the 
"permdir"
 > >> > directory, which actually is
the "data" directory in the case of  our
 > > jetty
> >> > distributions, and so it does the job.
> >> >
> >> > So the vote is for the following proposal:
> >> > 1 - move the cache files to permdir
> >> > 2 - do not purge the LESS cache at startup (by default)
> >> > 3 - add a new module that pre-generate the LESS cache file to make
 the
 > >> > first XWiki launch faster
> >> >
> >> > Here is my +1.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> >
> >> > [1]
> >> >
> https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-enterprise/compare/feature-datalesscache
> >> > [2]
> >> >
> >> >
> >
> 
http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-10879?focusedCommentId=85369&page=co…
   >>
>
 >> >
 >> > --
 >> > Guillaume Delhumeau (gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com)
 >> > Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS
 >> > Committer on the XWiki.org project
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Re: [xwiki-devs] [Vote] Add a cache directory concept and make the XWiki launch faster (was: Move the caches files to permdir and make the launch of XWiki faster)