17 Nov
2014
17 Nov
'14
10:09 a.m.
On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Eduard Moraru <enygma2002(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 6:15 PM, vincent(a)massol.net <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
Trying to progress on this…
Some points:
1) As an exercice, I’ve started listing all extensions currently located
in platform that we should move outside of xwiki-platform, if we follow the
voted rule below:
* Active Installs App
* Blog (still bundled in XE ATM)
* FAQ App
* Git module
* IRC Bot App
* JIRA module (not the macro)
* Link Checker
* Menu App
* Release App
* PHP Macro
* Gallery Macro
* Python Macro
* RSS Macro
* Useravatar macro
* Repository App
* Selenium App (should be moved to contrib actually)
* Zip Explorer plugin
So the only (/main) criteria here is that these extensions are not bundled
in XE, right? +1 from me
Now, this would be just an awesome moment to do something we`ve been
talking about for a while, which is to move all UI-related extensions outside of xwiki-platform so that we end up with
xwiki-platform-web
You mean xwiki-enterprise-web? There are no dependencies in xwiki-platform-web.
depending only on the extensions in
xwiki-platform/commons/rendering that
are vital for a barebone/minimal wiki instance to be up and running and to
launch the DistributionWizard/ExtensionManager. Obviously,
xwiki-enterprise-ui-* would be left in charge of depending on needed stuff
and bringing the dependencies transitively when the UI is installed; one
step closer towards flavors.
I also understand that we can do this iteratively and not make that big of
a jump right now, but anyway, my suggestion is that we should; or at least
schedule it for 7.0.
I’ve also reviewed some apps on xwiki-contrib that we may want to move
inside the xwiki GitHub org and here are some candidates (each app would
need a manager who volunteer to manage the app as defined by our rules
below of course - I’m putting some ideas of names, they’re just ideas!).
Note that most of these apps are not ready to be moved and would need some
cleanup/some func tests first:
* File Manager App - Marius
* GitHub Stats App (used on xwiki.org) - Vincent
* Forum App - ?
* Mocca Calendar App - Clemens
* Meeting Manager App - ?
* Idea Application - ?
* xwikorg flavor - Vincent
* Ratings App - ?
* Presentation App - Vincent
* Wiki Editor Devtools (autocomplete + highlighting) - Edi/Vincent
* Video Macro - ?
* Diagram App - Marius
* Admin Tools App (would need to be cleaned up) - ?
* Task Manager App - ?
The upside of this is that it will be much clearer who is the "expert"
on
certain domains/applications, however we must also watch out for an
increase in the "bus factor" that such a list would introduce.
+1 for the intention, ATM.
WDYT about both lists? Any opinion?
2) We’ll need to decide the version number for extensions we move from
platform. I propose to continue using their current version but detach them
from platform once they’re moved. For example the FAQ app, if moved now,
would have version 6.4-SNAPSHOT and its next release would be 6.4, then
6.4.1 or 6.5, etc.
+1 for basing their version numbers from the time they were detached from
XWiki's release cycle, as suggested.
3) We’d need to decide what version of XWiki is supported by each
extension. Since we officially support 3 versions (last super stable, last
stable and dev version), I propose that by default extensions would support
the latest super stable version without the bugfixing part. For example
right now last super stable is 5.4.5 which would mean that extensions would
depend on XWiki 5.4 (ie can be installed in XWiki 5.4+). Of course if some
extensions require a new feature that has only be added recently (for
example webjars) then it could decide to only support more recent versions
of XWiki but it would be on an exception basis.
IMO, the *best* thing about this change for users would be the ability to
upgrade individual extensions/modules without having o migrate their entire
wiki to a newer version. See the discussion [1] I raised recently about
this.
As a result, and as Thomas also suggested in a previous reply here (if I am
not mistaken), each detached extension should depend on the minimum XWiki
version as it is technically possible, in order to maximize compatibility
and installability over the widest range of XWiki versions as possible.
Introducing artificial bounds like LTS or something else is, I believe,
damaging to users and brings no value to either devs or users. Of course,
when newer versions of the extensions require features available in later
XWiki versions, the minimum required version should be raised accordingly,
but always be preserved to a minimum.
[1] http://markmail.org/message/zohkn73srh7dwom4
Thanks,
Eduard
WDYT?
Thanks
-Vincent
On 14 Jul 2014 at 14:11:14, vincent(a)massol.net (vincent(a)massol.net(mailto:
vincent(a)massol.net)) wrote:
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Results: 8 +1, no 0, no -1
The vote is passed. I’ve documented it here:
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/DevelopmentPractices#HTopLeve…
Going to start implementing it by sending some votes to move some
extensions.
Note: let’s not forget to update
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/SourceRepository when new
top level repos are added in the xwiki organization.
Thanks
-Vincent
On 7 Jul 2014 at 18:39:19, vincent(a)massol.net (vincent(a)massol.net
(mailto:vincent@massol.net)) wrote:
>
> Hi devs,
>
> Following the proposal thread at
http://markmail.org/message/ppw2slpgqou2ihai
I’d like to move on and I’ve
prepared below a full proposal that I’d like us to VOTE on.
>
> Rationale/Need
> ===============
>
> The needs:
> * Be able to extract some apps from xwiki-contrib that the XWiki Dev
Team
would like to maintain. Example: File Manager app developed by Marius
when it’ll have had some releases and tests (if it doesn’t have some
already!), GitHub Stats app used on xwiki.org, Meeting Manager App, Forum
App, etc
> * Be able to extract some extensions
currently located in
xwiki-platform but not released with XE so that they can have
a different
release cycle (examples: FAQ app, IRCBot extension, JIRA macro, etc).
Having different release cycle allow to release new versions quicker to our
users (bug fixes, new features).
>
> Governance
> ==========
>
> Details:
>
> * Extensions are VOTEd in on a case by case basis.
>
> * Each voted extensions will have its own Git Repository in the
“xwiki”
organization (so that each extension can be released independently
of each other).
>
> * When moving an extension either from xwiki-contrib or from
xwiki-platform,
keep its Git history as much as possible or simply donate
the repo to the “xwiki" organization.
>
> * FTM extensions bundled by default with XE would still remain in
XWiki
Commons/Rendering/Platform/Enterprise.
>
> * The Git repository name should be of the form xwiki-. should be part
of the
VOTE.
>
> * All rules from http://dev.xwiki.org apply
>
> * Each extension has a Release Manager defined and he’s responsible
for
defining its own Roadmap/Release notes (if need be), on the extension
page on e.x.o and perform the releases or ensure the extension is released
regularly when there are changes.
>
> * Each extension must follow these criteria for being VOTEd:
> ** A Release Manager needs to be defined in the proposal
> ** The extension must have had several releases already (i.e. someone
wanting
to propose a new extensions that doesn’t exist would start in
xwiki-contrib for ex and prove that his extension works and is useful by
doing several releases and creating the pages on e.x.o)
> ** It must follow our best practices defined
on http://dev.xwiki.org
(coding practices, tests, etc) and follow the apps best
practices (for
apps), see
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/ApplicationDevelopmentBestPra…
> ** It must have one or several integration
or functional tests (for
apps) to prove that it works. This allows to prove the app
continues
working when XWiki progresses
> ** The main contributors of the extensions
must agree about the move.
If they have the “level" to be an xwiki dev
committer then they should be
voted in (see http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/Committership).
If not then either they’re ok to send Pull Requests or the extension should
not be moved.
>
> * If an extension ceases to work or if its quality becomes too low, it
can be
moved to xwiki-contrib with a VOTE
>
> * We would create one JIRA project per extension
>
> * We would create a new JIRA Category called “XWiki Extensions”
>
> * We would put the extensions in our CI at http://ci.xwiki.org
>
> * The Java package should follow the same rule as for XWiki Platform,
i.e.
org.xwiki.. Exceptions would need to be discussed.
>
> * The group id for extensions having their own repo should be
org.xwiki.. The
needs to be part of the VOTE when proposing a new
extensions.
Here’s my +1
Thanks
-Vincent
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