1 Nov
2010
1 Nov
'10
7:14 p.m.
On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 7:02 PM, Gregory GUENEAU <ggueneau(a)me.com> wrote:
+1
About the release naming, jerome proposed cocktail names, and this is quite a good idea,
if we are sure to give this image
About that i am 0-
The idea i like is to associate exotic name to the quite "cold" name of XWiki
If we vote for cocktail name, i like ludo's proposal to have alcool / cocktail name
Exemple : XWiki Rhum release 1 : Mojito
See here, we might suffer a lack of credibility with this naming but we can live with it
(of course if we do not get all alchoolics)
I think Ludo meant to give meaningful names, like "Social" or
"Developer Tools" for the major cycles. Of course that does not
prevent us to have "cooler" code name for the minor versions (what
Ludo calls "subname").
I like the idea overall, but I think their is a major drawback of
never releasing a 3.0 or a 4.0, is that people who don't upgrade often
never know when they can best upgrade. Unless maybe we say in the
notes "This release 2.7 will be the last major release of the 2.x
cycle", but that's less explicit.
I'm 0 with the idea right now.
On 1 nov. 2010, at 18:05, Ludovic Dubost <ludovic(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
I've been thinking a little more about the XE 3.0 idea and I came to the conclusion
that there should be no XWiki version called 3.0.
Here is my thinking. I agree with something that was discussed by multiple people which
is that a potential main version switch is the sign of a progress and of a cycle of
development (preferably of a coherent feature set that we have thought about).
The probleme is that if you call this version 3.0 then people will think of what software
usually is developped (in the proprietary world), where 3.0 is a start with major changes
in the software.
Now when we look at the way open source and XWiki in particular develop software, this is
not at all the case. We make gradual changes in the whole cycle of the software and there
is not that many more changes between 1.9 and 2.0 then there was betwee 1.6 and 1.7. In
this life we introduce new features all the time. Usually the first time a features goes
in, it's not perfect and it's improved in the next release (with the biggest bugs
fixed in minor releases).
In order to recognize that and make it more understandable I suggest we don't call
ANYTHING a .0 release. Instead I suggest that we start calling things the way they are,
which are releases of a cycle which are improvements on a path that has been explained.
Therefore we should NAME the major releases (instead of numbering them, although we keep
the number for tracking) and we number the sub releases starting with 1 and not 0.
For example if we call the 2.x cycle XXXXX and the 3.x cycle YYYYY, then we release
XWiki 2.1 -> Cycle XXXXX release 1 -> subname for that release
XWiki 2.2 -> Cycle XXXXX release 2 -> subname for that release
XWiki 2.3 -> Cycle XXXXX release 3 -> subname for that release
XWiki 2.4 -> Cycle XXXXX release 4 -> subname for that release
For each release we show with features are in beta/stable state. Then at some point we
work on full stabilitization and we advertise
XWiki XXXXX release 7 with all features in there being stable
Then we start the next cycle with release 1
XWiki YYYYY release 1
etc..
And we show the path and objectives of the whole cycle in order to show some coherency.
This way we avoid the .0 issues where it's not clear if a .0 is stable or not, the
beginning or the end.
--
Concerning the plan, I'm +1 for stabilitzation work. -0 for calling the result 3.0.
+1 for calling the next release following 2.7, version 3.1 but having new features in
them showing the path of the next development cycle.
and +1 for finding a text naming instead of numbers
For the next cycle (3) we would need to find a nice name that shows the path we want to
follow.
Ludovic
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On Nov 1, 2010, at 12:50 PM, Gregory GUENEAU
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http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs Hi everyone,
I am +1 to make stabilization work, on a couple of releases
I am +1 to have soon a 3.0 release
And i am +1 on the content vincent propose
But my point of view is -1 stepping the release family number because the main purpose of
what is discussed here is stabilization, and not showing the path of 3.x family.
Therefore :
- do we consider a january 2011 release to be stable enough ?
Speaking for myself
of course...
yes (otherwise I wouldn't have proposed it obviously).
- stabilization work wouldn'it be leading
then to the last 2.x version instead of the first 3.x family version ?
no, it's
the same.
- is there behind it a consensus on what we will
concentrate our effort in 3.x versions ? I mean thematics we can talk about.
not
needed to decide on the 3.0 release, this is a topic for another mail.
- therefore, are we in a situation where we can
vote on the global thematics we will develop in 3.x releases ?
not needed at this
stage
- do we have a clear consensus short list of
features that show the path of 3.x family ?
not needed at this stage
- in consequence of that, is the release content
here send a clear message to uneducated publics about what is in this future 3.x versions
?
not needed at this stage
- do educated people care this much about release
number, that we absolutely have to release a 3.0 with the content presented below ?
yes (the content is open of course but provided it's not important new stuff IMO since
otherwise it won't be about stabilization).
We have to make 100% sure our message will be
understood by market. We are now in the Gartner magic quadrant and will increase our
visibility outside the opensource community.
In a world where new release number families means : "we show the path of the future
of this software, even if the features we present are not perfect", i will strongly
promote to answer in details the questions i mentionned before deciding 2.8 to be in fact
3.0.
Then here is the two elements that are probably the biggest things in the roadmap for 3.x
versions :
- going social (workspaces in xem, twitter like app, page stats for the user, etc.)
- going to be an easy place to develop in (extension manager of course, but also
documentation for dummies and a first app like "app within minute" proposed by
guillaume and strongly needed by our front team)
Is there a consensus on this list ? Then what should be the "demo" features we
could present to be consistent for a 3.0 release ?
Again this is not the topic of
this mail. You're talking about deciding what's in for 4.0 when this mail is about
deciding the 3.0 release.
Thanks
-Vincent
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On 1 nov. 2010, at 09:23, Vincent Massol<vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> Sergiu started mentioning the idea of a XE 3.0 when we defined the XE 2.6 roadmap. We
need a more general agreement that we want a XE 3.0 and how to reach it.
>
> As Sergiu I believe we need a XE 3.0 ASAP for the following reasons:
>
> - it's been a bit more than 1 year since the XE 2.0 release and I feel it's
good to have one major release every year
> - we've added **lots** of features since XE 2.0. Check
http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/ReleaseNotes to get a feeling
> - it's good for open source marketing
>
> Before being able to release XE 3.0 I think:
>
> - XE 2.6 is already planned for the 18th of November (with "mail this page"
and "recent activity" features + icon/emoticon and wikiword support that was
sneaked in surreptitiously)
> - We should have a XE 2.7 release (1 month duration, ie leading us to the 18th of
December) to finish started stuff:
> -- Finish the Gadget integration since it's been started already and it's
important. That said I'd actually be ok to not finish it if we think it's too much
to release XE 3.0 quickly according to the dates below. Anca to tell us if it's
possible in the timeframe.
> -- First working extension manager that can be used to install XARs (replaces the old
Packager on the back end side). Thomas to tell us if it's possible in the timeframe.
> -- Recent Activity with apps sending events (XE 2.6 will already have a good part of
it)
> -- UI finishing touches
> -- Some additional Security and Performance improvements if possible
> -- etc (add what you'd like to see absolutely here - it should be work already
started as much as possible and no new stuff)
> - Release XE 3.0 one month after the XE 2.7 release, ie around 18th of January - ie
end of January 2011)
>
> Very important: XE 3.0 should be a maturation/conclusion release, i.e. concluding all
the work started in the 2.x series (same as what we did for XE 2.0). It shouldn't be
seen as revolutionary stuff that we should add from now on since it'll take a year
more before those can be fully stabilized and we would loose the window of opportunity of
doing a major release now.
>
> Note: We shouldn't try to cram too much things in since that'll extend the
lead time to release XE 3.0 and we'll loose the stabilization effect.
>
> WDYT?
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
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