25 Sep
2014
25 Sep
'14
12:31 p.m.
Hi,
On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:03 PM, Eduard Moraru <enygma2002(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Hi Guillaume,
I have started a new discussion [1] on the topic of the new location of the
Add menu in Flamingo which is, IMO, the real problem here.
I'll answer on this thread.
However, I stand by my point that creating a wiki or a space are different
actions compared from adding a new page and as thus should be treated
differently.
Regarding your actual proposal, I`d be inclined to -1 it, as IMO it makes
basic CRUD operations on the wiki model harder to
perform (i.e. harder to
find), and what we`d like to do is help people create content and
structure, not the other way around.
I agree with the logic but I'm not sure I'm 100% in line with the
conclusion. As you said, the goal is to help users create and structure
their content.
Right now, when looking at existing installs, I often see cases where users
created several spaces with similar names (which doesn't really help
structure information). This is mainly because they didn't know that a
space with a similar name already existed. Similarly, you wouldn't want
someone to create a "Communication" wiki if the
"MarketingCommunication"
wiki already exists.
This is why I'm proposing to place "Create" buttons in context. I see at
least 3 places where this could be useful:
- "Create wiki" button on http://<server>/xwiki/bin/view/WikiManager/
- "Create space" button on hypothetical
http://<server>/xwiki/bin/view/Main/SpacesIndex
(similar to what we already have on the Dashboard)
- "Create user" button on http://<server>
/xwiki/bin/view/Main/UserDirectory
So from my point of view, by putting those buttons on those pages they
would actually be easier to find and understand for end-users.
Thanks,
Guillaume
Thanks,
Eduard
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[1] http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/jqbcj4p4ryc56sms
On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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Hi,
We improved the things a bit by implementing
http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-10928
Now users can more rapidly create pages by using the implicit value of
'Add'.
Having all the option (Create Wiki, Create Space, Create Page) in the
menu
is important IMO since you can create spaces (and
wikis) from anywhere in
the wiki. You don't need to be in a certain location to do this action.
I agree about having a Space Index of some sort and have a consistent way
of localizing/navigating Wikis/Spaces/Pages. Something similar to this
idea
was the Explorer proposal
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/ExplorerApp
Another related issue to this subject is
http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9440, but again I think XWIKI-10928
<http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-10928> improved the problem.
Thanks,
Caty
On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Guillaume Lerouge <guillaume(a)xwiki.com
wrote:
> Hi Devs,
>
> I'm currently testing XE 6.2, it's a great release, I love the new
look a
> lot - well done guys!
>
> I have a quick remark that is related to the new location of the
"Create"
button. I
think we should move the "create wiki" and "create space"
options
from where they are located now.
The "Create wiki" button could be moved under the list of wikis on this
page: http://<server>/xwiki/bin/view/WikiManager/
We would probably need a similar "space index" page with the "Create
space"
> button there, a bit like what we have on the dashboard now: http://
> <server>/xwiki/bin/view/Dashboard/
>
> The objective being that when doing those create actions, they would be
> done with the context of the wikis / spaces that already exist.
>
> What is also a bit confusing for users is that since creating a new is
> much much bigger and less frequent than creating a new page, the action
> should not be available from every single page.
>
> This issue has become much more salient than before to me because of
the
new
location of the "Create" button. What's your opinion about this?
Thanks,
Guillaume
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