Re: [xwiki-devs] [VOTE] Start supporting IE10 and IE11

On 4 Sep 2014 at 16:43:42, Thomas Mortagne (thomas.mortagne@xwiki.com(mailto:thomas.mortagne@xwiki.com)) wrote: > IMO we should modify > http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy > with something like "we support what Microsoft support". It's simple > and easy to defend IMO (why the hell would we do what Microsoft does > not ?). I don’t like this too much because there are various levels of support. General support and the companies take specific IE support for older versions.

And then I don’t necessarily agree to support old versions of IE even if MS support them. For me it’s our choice to make. Thanks -Vincent > On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau > wrote: > > +1 for IE9/10/11 > > +0 for IE8 (there is a lot of users but even Microsoft does not support it!) > > > > > > 2014-09-04 16:11 GMT+02:00 Thomas Mortagne : > > > >> On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Thomas Mortagne > >> wrote: > >> > What about supporting what Microsoft support ? That means not IE9/10/11 > >> only. > >> > >> Remove the "not" of course. > >> > >> > > >> > See > >> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2014/08/07/stay-up-to-date-with-internet… > >> . > >> > > >> > IMO we should not do more that the own browser editor does. > >> > > >> > On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 3:40 PM, vincent(a)massol.net > >> wrote: > >> >> Reviving this thread since we need to decide and lots of committers > >> haven’t voted yet! > >> >> > >> >> I’ve updated > >> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy with > >> recent market share. > >> >> > >> >> Note that there are various other sources and they don’t seem to show > >> similar data: > >> >> - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers > >> >> - http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parts_de_march%C3%A9_des_navigateurs_web > >> >> - http://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php > >> >> > >> >> However I think they all show that if we wish to support 80% of users > >> we have to support about the 10 top browsers used and AFAICS this includes: > >> >> - IE8/9/10/11 > >> >> - FF latest > >> >> - Chrome latest > >> >> - Safari latest > >> >> > >> >> It seems market shared for IE8/9 are still high. However IE10 is less > >> high (probably because those who upgraded to it quickly upgraded to IE11)? > >> >> > >> >> So far we have the following votes: > >> >> - Andrea: +1 to support IE10/11 > >> >> - Vincent: +1 to support IE10/11 > >> >> - Marius: +1 to support IE11, +0 to support IE8/9/10 > >> >> > >> >> Thanks > >> >> -Vincent > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On 10 Jun 2014 at 09:08:43, vincent(a)massol.net (vincent(a)massol.net > >> (mailto:vincent@massol.net)) wrote: > >> >> > >> >>> Hi Andrea/all, > >> >>> > >> >>> On 10 Jun 2014 at 08:46:45, Andreea Popescu (andreea.popescu(a)xwiki.com > >> (mailto:andreea.popescu@xwiki.com)) wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>> > Hello all, > >> >>> > > >> >>> > Following the "Start supporting IE10 and IE11" thread I’d like to > >> propose > >> >>> > to vote if we will support IE10 and IE11. > >> >>> > >> >>> FTR the thread in question is at > >> http://markmail.org/message/zjlbcfkl5cqnrwfk > >> >>> > >> >>> > The most important reasons for supporting these versions are: > >> >>> > > >> >>> > - Internet Explorer 8 and Internet Explorer 9 are still widely used > >> by > >> >>> > users, but many of them are currently choosing to update to IE10 and > >> IE11. > >> >>> > - according to netmarketshare.com (Browsers -> Desktop Share by > >> Version) > >> >>> > from a total of 100%, IE10 is used by 6.85% users and IE11 by 16.61% > >> users. > >> >>> > It’s true that IE10 is not as popular as the older versions (IE8 - > >> 20.85% > >> >>> > and IE9 - 8.89%), but its usage percentage is still significant. > >> >>> > > >> >>> > Here’s my +1. > >> >>> > >> >>> On the above-mentioned thread Marius had proposed to support only the > >> latest version of each browser, which is basically what we’re doing except > >> for IE. The rationale is that it takes time to support all browsers and the > >> community can only do so much. Companies offering paid services on top of > >> XWiki could support the other browser versions for their customers. > >> >>> > >> >>> While I understand that, my POV is a bit different: I’d like that we > >> support the top browsers/versions used by the majority of people, because I > >> feel XWiki will be successful if the majority of people can use it without > >> problems. > >> >>> > >> >>> Looking at the graph at > >> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy if > >> we were to support at least the top 6 browser/versions we would cover 70% > >> of the user base. For IE this means supporting IE8-11. Note that strangely > >> IE8 is the top browser in market shares, way above most of the others… Not > >> supporting it ATM would mean “loosing" 20%+ of users. If we have problems > >> supporting, say the top 10 browsers, then we can drop to top 6, if that’s > >> an issue, then to top 5, etc. ATM we’re supporting 5 browsers and with > >> IE10-11, this would mean raising to 7 browsers. I propose that we try it > >> with the additional 2 browsers (IE10-11) and see if it’s a burden for us or > >> it’s manageable. > >> >>> > >> >>> So there are 2 questions in here: > >> >>> - Starting the support for IE10-11: I’m +1 for that > >> >>> - Deciding if we want to support only one version for each browser or > >> instead support the highest browsers in marketshare. I’m +1 for the > >> marketshare approach. > >> >>> > >> >>> Thanks > >> >>> -Vincent > >> >>> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> devs mailing list > >> >> devs(a)xwiki.org > >> >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Thomas Mortagne > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Thomas Mortagne > >> _______________________________________________ > >> devs mailing list > >> devs(a)xwiki.org > >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > devs mailing list > > devs(a)xwiki.org > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > -- > Thomas Mortagne > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > devs(a)xwiki.org > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs _______________________________________________ devs mailing list devs(a)xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs