18 Sep
2013
18 Sep
'13
10:37 a.m.
+1 for E
Regards,
Sorin B.
On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 11:24 AM, Silvia Rusu <silvia.rusu(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
Hi!
I like Proposal E the best, so +1 for E.
Thanks,
Silvia
On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau
<gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
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Hi.
Seems RC1 is soon, I encourage everybody to give his point of view in
order
to make a choice.
Thanks,
Guillaume
2013/9/12 Jeremie BOUSQUET <jeremie.bousquet(a)gmail.com>
> Hi,
>
>
> 2013/9/12 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com>
>
> > Indeed, the proposal A was based on
> >
>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead
> > of
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu.
> >
> > Then I suggest to call your proposal: E.
> >
> > Let me recap:
> >
> > - Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu".
> >
> > - Proposal B : XWiki right side menu
> >
> > - Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu
> >
> > - Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo.
> >
> > - Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty.
> >
> > --
> >
> > About E:
> > Some issues IMHO:
> > - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home wiki
and
> > when you are in the subwiki.
> > - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the
users
> and
> > the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? Can't
it
> be
> > confusing?
> >
>
> I would say: it depends.
> In "farm" concept it's almost completely useless, because different
persons
> will administrate different subwikis of their
own and someone else will
> administrate main wiki.
> In "workspace" concept, I find very useful to be able to administrate
main
> wiki without having to browse to main wiki,
because I may find myself
> wanting to administer main wiki just anytime, while I administer a
subwiki
> merely to manage users allowed in this
subwiki ... and, yes, install
> extensions and choose a color theme.
>
> To be honest, I use 5.1 + Workspace extension, and I hardly have any
issue
> with navigating through wikis, administering
this or that etc ... The
only
> thing I would miss, are some quick links to
switch to a wiki or the
other
(instead
of having to browse to a "Workspace directory" page), but this
kind of thing does not really scale with numerous wikis.
I like Vincent's idea to tweak the home logo, as I never quite liked the
idea of a "Home" menu - home in websites is typically the homepage, and
nothing else.
>
> Thanks,
> Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau
>
>
>
> 2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <valicac(a)gmail.com>
>
> > On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > You forgot one proposal which I like:
> > > >
> > > > == Proposal D ==
> > > >
> > > > * Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left)
> > > > * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current > > > > * The proposal is about
generalizing that feature to allow
navigating
> > > > either to the wiki home, to
the main wiki or to the list of other
> wikis
> > > > * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover
over
> > the
> > > > logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with
first
> > > entry
> > > > = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a
second entry
with
> > > "Wiki
> > > > Index" for example.
> > > >
> > > > What I like with this is that the user is already used to use the
> logo
> > as
> > > > a way to navigate to the home of wiki.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > > -Vincent
> > > >
> > > > On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau <
> > > > gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi developers.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate
> > > Workspace
> > > > in
> > > > > XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA:
> > > > > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements
when
> > > > Workspaces
> > > > > activated".
> > > > >
> > > > > The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2
(which
> > was
> > > > > scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull
request.
> I
> > > have
> > > > > also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work.
> > > > >
> > > > > == Proposal A ==
> > > > > There is some screenshots (Proposal A):
> > > > > Logged as admin:
> > > > >
> >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
> > > > > Not logged as admin:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admi…
> > > > >
> > > > > You can get it from this commit:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e50249…
> > > > > (except that I have
changed the wiki icon for this screenshot)
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal
> > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
> > >
> > > In your screenshot is:
> > > * Home
> > > ** Administer Main Wiki
> > > ** Wiki Directory
> > >
> > > What it was proposed:
> > > * Home
> > > ** Administration
> > > ** Wikis Index
> > > ** ....
> > >
> > >
> >
>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM…
> > >
> > >
> >
>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM…
> > >
> > > "Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as:
> > > - "Administration"
> > > or
> > > - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home"
> > > depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki.
> > >
> > >
> > > > > We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the
> current
> > > > menus:
> > > > > - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when
we
> are
> > > in
> > > > a
> > > > > (sub)wiki? Does it make sense?
> > > >
> > >
> > > As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to administrate
> both
> > > the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home (mainwiki).
> > >
> > >
> > > > > - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the
> > current
> > > > > wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a
"main"
and
> > > > several
> > > > > "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could
imagine, in
> > the
> > > > > future, a new implementation where there is no distinction
between
> > > "main"
> > > > > and "sub", but where we have an independent
"system" that allows
> the
> > > > users
> > > > > to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call
the
> > > menu
> > > > > "System" or "XWiki".
> > > >
> > >
> > > The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home"
and "wiki". The menu
> > displays
> > > the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent
with
> the
> > > way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.)
> > >
> > > > - When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only
have a
> > > > > single item in this menu,
meanwhile wiki, space and page has
more
>> > > > content.
>> > > > > It does not look good.
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > In the proposal there is
> > >
> > >
> >
>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM…
> > > Although this is not currently
implemented, the idea is that we
could
> > also
> > > list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User
Directory"
> (especially
> > > since workspaces have only global users and the directory is
located
in
> > the
> > > main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order
to have
a
> > > consistency between the
index/directory applications naming.
> > >
> > > So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the
submenu,
> > we
> > > could have more entries (if they are related to the Home
(mainwiki)).
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > > - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer
main wiki"
>> twice:
>> > > > once
>> > > > > in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu.
>> > > > > - The left menu has too many items.
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from
>> > > * Menu in the (sub)wiki
> > >
> > >
> >
>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM…
>> > > in
>> > > * Menu in the Home (mainwiki)
> > >
> > >
> >
>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM…
> > >
> > > The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of
> content'
> > > inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages)
> > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > == Proposal B ==
> > > > > Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in
5.2M2,
> so
> > we
> > > > > started to iterate until having this proposal:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(pro…
> > > > > B).
> > > > >
> > > > > Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the
left
> > > side,
> > > > we
> > > > > have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can
actually
> > > > achieve
> > > > > on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like
"Administer",
"Delete"
> or
> > > > > "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like
that, it
> just
> > > > > provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's
more a
> > > > "System"
> > > > > menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's
why
we
> > put
> > > it
> > > > > there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less
> > > confusing.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content
organization
> > > hierarchy: home > wiki >
space > page.
> > > You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content ||
User".
> > The
> > > "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your
> location
> > in
> > > the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User related
> > actions.
> > >
> > > Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to
customize
> > > their instance and not even show
it's running on XWiki, making it
their
> > > own.
> > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > == Proposal C ==
> > > > > We had also this idea:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposal…
){kind=link}
> > > > > But we didn't like
it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the
"Main
> > Wiki"
> > > > > link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like
> > > > > "Administer", "Index" or "Delete"
are.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Crowded and serves as a double function.
> > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ---
> > > > > After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What
should
> I
> > > do?
> > > > Do
> > > > > I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said
yes,
> because
> > he
> > > > > wanted to have something to show to the community that can
still be
> > > > changed
> > > > > for the RC1, and he applied the pull request.
> > > > >
> > > > > So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have:
> > > > >
> > > > > A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal):
> > > > > Current implementation:
> > > > >
> >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
> > > > > Mockup with the new
skin:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/Men…
> > > > >
> > > > > B - "XWiki" right menu:
> > > > >
> > >
> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png
> > > > >
> > > > > C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu:
> > > > >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png
> > > > >
> > > > > I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion,
> > > > regarding
> > > > > one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We
must
have
> a
> > > consensus for the RC1!
> > >
> > > 0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy).
> > > +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO).
> > > -1 for proposal C.
> > >
> >
>
> So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed:
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
>
> (Wiki / (sub)wiki)
> * Home
> ** Administration
> ** ---
> ** Wikis Index/Directory
> ** Documents Index
>
> (Home/mainwiki)
> * Home
> ** Watch Home
> ** Administer Home
> ** ---
> ** Wikis Index
> ** Documents Index
>
> Thanks,
> Caty
>
>
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