13 Jan
2016
13 Jan
'16
12:54 p.m.
Hi Guillaume,
Thanks for your answer.
9. Proposing to create a backup depends on how the user will start the
migration tool. If the migration is automatic, than we should create an
automated backup. If it's on demand, then we need to suggest to the user to
create one before.
12. The issue is for the migration process to not be stuck when
encountering problematic pages and at the end to provide a list of failed
pages in order for the Administrator to investigate and fix them.
Thank you Guillaume,
Caty
On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <
gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
Hi Caty and thanks for your detailed answer.
design.xwiki.org seems to be
a
perfect sample to test and develop this migration tool.
Now, let's see point by point.
1. The idea is to have breadcrumbs perfectly identical (ISO) after the
migration. However, I was just considering moving the pages from a location
to an other, not completely renaming them. I think renaming using the title
(which could be velocity code in some places) is out of the scope and could
be covered by... an other refactoring tool!
2. Back-links (in the content) will be updated like it usually happens when
we rename a page from the UI. We should make sure the tool use the existing
mechanism. However, I'm quite sure it won't affect objects properties.
3. Bookmarks won't be broken if we add a redirection to the new page at the
old location. Fortunately, Marius have added this feature in 7.4:
http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-3622
4. Yes, converting terminal pages to nested pages in the core principle of
this tool. It gives the ability to create children to any existing page. Of
course, this change should not be done on technical documents, and even in
data generated by applications. Otherwise, this application could be
broken.
5. I need to see if image references are affected by the backlinks update
feature we already have. Same for macro parameters.
6. URL will be long, yes. I don't think URL aliases are planned for 8.0 and
it's sure that we won't have them in 7.4.x.
8. Your queries should continue to work, since I propose to update the
"parent" field when the parent is renamed. Nested pages will still have the
same parent. However, it would be safer to use a query looking at the
nested children similar to the one of the children viewer.
9. IMO, we could only propose to generate a full back-up XAR (with history,
author preserved, etc...) but it's not the scope of this tool to manage
backups.
10. I think it's ok to not handle documents from the recycle bin. Moreover,
it will be still possible to run again the tool after some pages have been
restored so they eventually reach their ideal location.
11. Adding a white list of spaces to convert could be a great option. For
technical documents, for need to create filters. For example: do not
convert hidden pages, or pages having some objects of some classes.
12. Moving pages holding a lot of attachments is a problem. See:
http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-8910
This tool won't fix bugs that we have for ages. It means we should report
any failures during the process in a list that we show to the user. I'm
afraid the perfect tool cannot be made and users will still have manual
things to do - but at least this tool will make them saving time.
Is that OK for you?
Any other opinion?
Thanks,
Guillaume
2016-01-12 18:30 GMT+01:00 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <valicac(a)gmail.com>om>:
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/FlamingoAddMenuLocationIter…
navigation
links?
jira
need
be
documentation
space
for
be
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12. When I moved the pages from incubator to
design.xwiki.org I mostly
used
scripts. But I had some problems for pages that contain lots of
attachments, like
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Skin4x#Attachments
Those pages I needed to import with Large import or something, and some
even recreated manually. To be honest I don't quite remember, but just be
careful that the migrator needs to consider cases when pages cannot be
renamed / deleted / etc.
Thanks,
Caty
On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 7:26 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Proposal+Application
Hi,
The following ideas are about the Parent/Children relation (UC1):
For example a copy of design.xwiki.org could be used as a test example
for this kind of migration. design.xwiki.org is using a very basic
application
that at
its core uses the Parent/Child relation in order to list in a
livetable the children of a particular proposal.
The hierarchy contains pages from 2 spaces: Improvements (from the old
application from incubator.myxwiki.org) and Proposal.
Sometimes the hierarchy can go to more than 6 levels, examples:
or
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/XWiki+Icon+Set
But sometimes the hierarchy mixes pages from the different spaces,
example:
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/PanelsImprovements
(where
Flamingo comes from Improvements space, while the
others are from
Proposal
> space).
>
> User expectations:
> 1. I would really like that after the migration the hierarchy to remain
> the same a.k.a the breadcrumb to be unchanged. The breadcrumb > stays at the core of this application. I
give more importance to the
Page
Title
than the Page Name, so I would be ok for the new pages to be
copied /
> created using the title and discard the page name.
> 2. But I sometimes referenciate in the content of some proposals other
> pages using the page name references. So what will happen to those Can we
auto-update them inside the content with the new pages
(backlinks)?
> 3. in your UC7: Bookmarks should not be broken after the migration: how
> can we achieve this? Are the page aliases a solution? Everywhere on > there are references with links towards the
design.xwiki.org
proposals.
> For example, when I moved the app from
incubator.myxwiki.org to
> design.xwiki.org I replaced the content of the page with a Moved type
> message, example
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWikiOrg .
This
could be
a solution if we don't provide page aliases or redirects,
although
> might not be very efficient.
> 4. In order to achieve the hierarchy this means that terminal pages > to be transformed into spaces?
> 5. In my proposals I use the {{gallery}} macro that uses references
like
"image:loginDesktopSnapshotAnnotations.png" or
"image:Skin4xMenus@menusMenuAnnotations.png", etc. How will the images
be
> affected?
> 6. Those long URL will look kind of ugly - so again page aliases would > great. But not sure how we will manage them.
Do we allow multiple
aliases
to be
created and used, or just 1?
7. What is the complexity of the changes I need to add to the Proposal
App
> in order to continue working as before? Do we provide such > for the users?
> 8. The livetable was using this in order to list the children
> #set ($discard = $options.put('extraParams', "&
> parent=${doc.fullName}"))
> and
> #set ($importPages = $xwiki.queryManager.xwql("where
> doc.parent='$doc'").execute())
> 9. If the user might start and finish the migration but then he will
> discover that everything looks bad, what can he do? A best practice
would
> be for him to make a backup before doing the
migration, but can't we
make
> one automatically?
> 10. After the migration what will happen if an user goes to the
'Recycle
Bin'
and restores a page from "Deleted Documents" or "Deleted
Attachments"?
> 11. Currently there are 1246 pages on the Design wiki. Improvements > contains 317 pages, while Proposal space
contains 256 pages. Apparently
> there are other spaces that contain user generated content like Design,
> Tech, Standard, etc spaces. It would be great if the migrator could
list
> user created pages when the migrator ask
what pages needs to be
migrated
(UC3).
But that list should eliminate default pages and applications
pages
> (technical). Also maybe the user wants to migrate the hierarchy just > some pages (just the spaces Proposal and
Improvements).
>
> I know maybe the design.xwiki.org is not the best or the most complex
> example, but as an user I am quite concerned with what will happen to
the
> hierarchy we've created over the years
and I'm sure every user thinks
the
> same about their content.
>
> Thanks,
> Caty
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 6:37 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <
> gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone.
>>
>> I am working on a tool to help the user migrating from an XWiki
instance
>
without the Nested Pages feature to a new version (7.4.x) handling it.
>
> This tool would be an extension that the administrator can install and
> execute *after* the XWiki upgrade have been done. After its execution,
> users should be able to create children to every existing pages (that
was
>> previously terminal, obviously). But the old hierarchy based on the
>> parent/child relationship, and all the preferences and rights, should >> preserved. The URL should not be broken
neither.
>>
>> I have started a design document with the use-cases I had in mind.
I've
>> also suggested some implementations and
drew some mock-ups. The
results
is
>> here:
>> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/UpgradeToNestedPages
>>
>> I've started this document before talking here in order to not come
with
>
nothing, but feel free to add other use-cases, ideas, and edge-cases
that
> I
> haven't listed. We should also identify any blocking point from XWiki
> Enterprise that we could fix in a 7.4.x version.
>
> Do you have any question in mind that we should discuss here? Do you
have
an
opinion on this?
You help is warmly welcome,
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