8 Sep
2014
8 Sep
'14
1:17 p.m.
My vote goes to:
+1 to support IE11(IE10) for Flamingo
-1 to support IE8 for Flamingo
+1 to support IE8 for Colibri
My rationale:
- Flamingo should be viewed as a modern skin and should be displayed on
modern browsers.
- Although Bootstrap states that it support IE8/IE9 (see
http://getbootstrap.com/getting-started/#support-ie8-ie9 ) the support is
partial. Some properties are not fully supported and also you need a
third-party JS dependency.
- We will dedicate development time to fix issues on a browser that will
die soon (and as you said is not supported by Microsoft and I don't even
mention other companies)
- IE8 works with Flamingo, but is not perfect (for me supporting a browser
means assuring all the functionality is working and displaying perfectly on
it). If an user really needs a perfect skin to work with IE8 they should
pick Colibri
Thanks,
Caty
On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 6:11 PM, Thomas Mortagne <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com>
wrote:
On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Thomas Mortagne
<thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
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On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Thomas Mortagne
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Right now this mean dropping support for 8 and 9.
Ok let me rephrase that a bit, what I would like
to apply is what MS
plan to upgrade: "only the most current version of Internet Explorer
s/upgrade/apply/
> available for a supported operating system". So based on what's on
> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/lifecycle. >
> On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 4:57 PM, Thomas Mortagne
> <thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 4:45 PM, vincent(a)massol.net <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4 Sep 2014 at 16:43:42, Thomas Mortagne (thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com
(mailto:thomas.mortagne@xwiki.com)) wrote:
>>>
>>>> IMO we should modify
>>>> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy
>>>> with something like "we support what Microsoft support".
It's simple
>>>> and easy to defend IMO (why the hell would we do what Microsoft does
>>>> not ?).
>>>
>>> I don’t like this too much because there are various levels of
support. General support and the companies take specific IE support for
older versions.
>>
>> I'm talking about general support (what MS call "mainstream
support"
>> on http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/lifecycle) of course
>> since that's what we are talking about here.
>>
>>>
>>> And then I don’t necessarily agree to support old versions of IE even
if MS support them. For me it’s our choice to make.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> -Vincent
>>>
>>>> On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie"
Delhumeau
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > +1 for IE9/10/11
>>>> > +0 for IE8 (there is a lot of users but even Microsoft does not
support it!)
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > 2014-09-04 16:11 GMT+02:00 Thomas Mortagne :
>>>> >
>>>> >> On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Thomas Mortagne
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >> > What about supporting what Microsoft support ? That means
not
IE9/10/11
>>>> >> only.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Remove the "not" of course.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > See
>>>> >>
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2014/08/07/stay-up-to-date-with-internet…
>>>> >> .
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > IMO we should not do more that the own browser editor
does.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 3:40 PM, vincent(a)massol.net
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >> >> Reviving this thread since we need to decide and lots
of
committers
>>>> >> haven’t voted yet!
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> I’ve updated
>>>> >>
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy with
>>>> >> recent market share.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Note that there are various other sources and they
don’t seem
to show
>>>> >> similar data:
>>>> >> >> -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers
>>>> >> >> -
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parts_de_march%C3%A9_des_navigateurs_web
>>>> >> >> -
http://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> However I think they all show that if we wish to
support 80%
of users
>>>> >> we have to support about
the 10 top browsers used and AFAICS this
includes:
>>>> >> >> - IE8/9/10/11
>>>> >> >> - FF latest
>>>> >> >> - Chrome latest
>>>> >> >> - Safari latest
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> It seems market shared for IE8/9 are still high.
However IE10
is less
>>>> >> high (probably because
those who upgraded to it quickly upgraded
to IE11)?
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> So far we have the following votes:
>>>> >> >> - Andrea: +1 to support IE10/11
>>>> >> >> - Vincent: +1 to support IE10/11
>>>> >> >> - Marius: +1 to support IE11, +0 to support IE8/9/10
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Thanks
>>>> >> >> -Vincent
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> On 10 Jun 2014 at 09:08:43, vincent(a)massol.net (
vincent(a)massol.net
>>>> >>
(mailto:vincent@massol.net)) wrote:
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>> Hi Andrea/all,
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> On 10 Jun 2014 at 08:46:45, Andreea Popescu (
andreea.popescu(a)xwiki.com
>>>> >>
(mailto:andreea.popescu@xwiki.com)) wrote:
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> > Hello all,
>>>> >> >>> >
>>>> >> >>> > Following the "Start supporting IE10 and
IE11" thread I’d
like to
>>>> >> propose
>>>> >> >>> > to vote if we will support IE10 and IE11.
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> FTR the thread in question is at
>>>> >> http://markmail.org/message/zjlbcfkl5cqnrwfk
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> > The most important reasons for supporting
these versions
are:
>>>> >> >>> >
>>>> >> >>> > - Internet Explorer 8 and Internet Explorer 9
are still
widely used
>>>> >> by
>>>> >> >>> > users, but many of them are currently choosing
to update to
IE10 and
>>>> >> IE11.
>>>> >> >>> > - according to netmarketshare.com (Browsers
-> Desktop
Share by
>>>> >> Version)
>>>> >> >>> > from a total of 100%, IE10 is used by 6.85%
users and IE11
by 16.61%
>>>> >> users.
>>>> >> >>> > It’s true that IE10 is not as popular as the
older versions
(IE8 -
>>>> >> 20.85%
>>>> >> >>> > and IE9 - 8.89%), but its usage percentage is
still
significant.
>>>> >> >>> >
>>>> >> >>> > Here’s my +1.
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> On the above-mentioned thread Marius had proposed
to support
only the
>>>> >> latest version of each
browser, which is basically what we’re
doing except
>>>> >> for IE. The rationale is
that it takes time to support all
browsers and the
>>>> >> community can only do so
much. Companies offering paid services
on top of
>>>> >> XWiki could support the
other browser versions for their
customers.
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> While I understand that, my POV is a bit different:
I’d like
that we
>>>> >> support the top
browsers/versions used by the majority of people,
because I
>>>> >> feel XWiki will be
successful if the majority of people can use
it without
>>>> >> problems.
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> Looking at the graph at
>>>> >>
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy if
>>>> >> we were to support at
least the top 6 browser/versions we would
cover 70%
>>>> >> of the user base. For IE
this means supporting IE8-11. Note that
strangely
>>>> >> IE8 is the top browser
in market shares, way above most of the
others… Not
>>>> >> supporting it ATM would
mean “loosing" 20%+ of users. If we have
problems
>>>> >> supporting, say the top
10 browsers, then we can drop to top 6,
if that’s
>>>> >> an issue, then to top 5,
etc. ATM we’re supporting 5 browsers and
with
>>>> >> IE10-11, this would mean
raising to 7 browsers. I propose that we
try it
>>>> >> with the additional 2
browsers (IE10-11) and see if it’s a burden
for us or
>>>> >> it’s manageable.
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> So there are 2 questions in here:
>>>> >> >>> - Starting the support for IE10-11: I’m +1 for
that
>>>> >> >>> - Deciding if we want to support only one version
for each
browser or
>>>> >> instead support the
highest browsers in marketshare. I’m +1 for
the
>> >> marketshare approach.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Thanks
>> >> >>> -Vincent
>> >> >>>
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