17 May
2013
17 May
'13
9:30 a.m.
On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Hi Denis and all,
On May 17, 2013, at 12:20 AM, Denis Gervalle <dgl(a)softec.lu> wrote:
what I
This was exactly what I fear when I raise this point this issue, I am very
disappointed that nothing have been done. The very minimal was to have a
better error reporting, and an easier way to fix up the situation.
Hi Vincent,
On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 10:05 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
Hi devs,
Now that the virtual mode is on by default our users are having troubles
when they install 5.0.1.
It's the second time in 2 days that I have to help someone.
The issue is that users will want to use URLs such:
http://myhost/xwiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome
And those URLs don't work anymore by default (which can be seen as a
regression).
So I'm proposing the following change for 5.0.2/5.1M1:
* If there's only 1 wiki configured then always point to the main wiki.
WDYT?
This has already been discussed. I was in favor of that behavior, but
Edouard mention a potential confusing example in:
http://markmail.org/message/ggjgqlfubjfyfxto
So, what has been decided is to provide a more explicit message, and have suggested is to have an easy way for an
admin to create the missing
server descriptor when that error occurs.
You should read the thread about this change in detail before proposing a
new solution.
Thanks for pointing me to this thread which I hadn't read at the time.
I've now read it and I see that nothing was done on this point that you
raised (as item 3) in that thread). Eduard said that it could be a problem
for someone having 2 wikis and removing 1 and then all URLs would redirect
to that main wiki instead of noticing that the wiki he's pointing to has
been removed.
The difference with now and when that thread was written is the feedback
we're getting from users trying XWiki 5.0+. We already have some user who
have stopped using XWiki because they found it too complex to setup with
this new virtual on by default and some others who spent hours scratching
their heads to figure out why something worked before and is no longer
working.
So I really think we need to do something and quite
fast (for 5.0.2 and
5.1M1).
+1
Solution 1:
=========
Check if there's only 1 wiki and default to the main wiki whatever the URL
in that case. It's still preferable to get a user started on xwiki and more
important than the use case found by Edy which is an edge case.
IMO, it is still the simplest solution.
Solution 2:
=========
Since the default config is path-based, stop fallbacking to domain-based
when no descriptor is found and always fallback to the main wiki instead.
This does not look bad, but...
This option should solve the problem of getting started for users and at
the same time not have the problem raised by Edy. The only downside would
be users who had configured their subwiki in path-based (default) but with
domains, which is not the normal way anyway: they should configure it in
domain-based if they wish to use domains...
... I am not sure the "in path-based (default) but with domains" situation
will be understand by users. I do not really understand it myself.
My preference goes to 2.
WDYT? Any other solution?
So, I stay on my first opinion: Either we have a direct fallback to the
main wiki, or we have a clear error page, that for a wiki admin, provide a
simple one click way to create the missing descriptor. I thought this was
already done.
Thanks
-Vincent
PS: The reason I suddenly took interest in this topic is because:
* I've helped several users understand why they couldn't access their wiki
in 1 week (I can think of 3)
* I've recoded the new wiki descriptor module and updated the new url
module to handle subwiki aliases and this recoded this algorithm. I'll be
committing this soon now (just finishing some functional tests)
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