7 May
2009
7 May
'09
5:47 p.m.
Guillaume Lerouge wrote:
Hi,
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 6:31 PM, Ludovic Dubost <ludovic(a)xwiki.org> wrote:
Having the wiki and space name doesn't necessarily mean you have more
data *but* in fact it locks you to a specific context. Relative paths
are useful because you can change the context and still have your thing
working. When I link to a page in the same space I don't care at all
what's the space or wiki name. They can change as long as both pages
remain in the same space.
Thus I'm -0.
Thanks,
Marius
Thomas Mortagne a écrit :
There's maybe something I don't understand here, but isn't it better to have
more data and run a filter to remove unnecessary data in specific cases if
needed (such as the MySQL backup scenario decribed above) than to have too
little data and to get stuck when trying to identify which wiki a given page
belongs to? Would writing such a filter be complex?
That is, it's easier to have too much data and to filter out the noise than
the other way round, isn't it? On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 17:09, Ludovic Dubost
<ludovic(a)xwiki.org> wrote:
I tend to think that what I say is true for any data.
As Anca points out a mysql backup of the backlinks data with absolute
links would not work if you recover it under another db name. I'm -1 on this.
This is like saying we should put the fully qualified name when
- linking to an anchor in your page
- linking to a page in the same space
This example as nothing to do with what i suggest since this is user
input and not technical generated datas. I'm speaking about internal
generated datas, datas you don't find in the export, the link table is
not exported etc...
Guillaume
Ludovic
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> We should always store information as
"relative". If a document is in
> the same wiki then you should not specify the wiki.
> If it is in the same space you should not specify the space.
>
> Imaging you want to export/import a wiki that was in a farm in a
> database names 'wiki1' and you import the pages in a farm where the
> database is names 'wiki2'. Then your import process will have to run
> conversions, or you wiki will be fully broken.
>
> I'm for generalizing "relative" storage if there are places where we
> hard code the wiki name or the space name.
>
> Ludovic
>
> Thomas Mortagne a écrit :
>
>> Hi devs,
>>
>> The real full qualified name of a document is wiki:Space.Page. I think
>> we sould always use only this form for technical purposes like storing
>> in database or old API which does not support DocumentName.
>>
>> pros:
>> - don't need to take care of the context, the information is always
right.
> - if
everything is stored in only one form it's way easier to compare
> things and do requests
>
> cons:
> - old code which does not support this document name form will fail.
> This could hardly be a good arguments since this form is a officially
> valid document name but i can't see anything else.
>
> Among others, the last use case which make me send this proposal is
> http://jira.xwiki.org/jira/browse/XWIKI-3754. IMO getLinkedPages
> return and the link table should only contains fully qualified links,
> especially since theses lists are supposed to contains uniques
> documents and we need to know the 3 parts of the document name to make
> sure of that . Note that a document could contain a link to a document
> in another wiki or even a link to the same document but written in its
> full form so a code which support only local form is wrong anyway.
>
> WDYT ?
>
> Here is my +1. The pros are basically the same that make us introduce
> DocumentName to not manipulate String anymore in code.
>
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