Re: [xwiki-devs] [Idea] Sponsoring issues

For the record, a research about crowdfunding sites at https://snowdrift.coop/p/snowdrift/w/en/othercrowdfunding done by the Snowdrift.coop people (we went to their presentation at FOSDEM2016)

Thanks, Caty On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 6:56 PM, Eduard Moraru wrote: > Updated again the Contributing page for better visibility: > > http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/Contributing#HSponsoringissues > > Thanks, > Eduard > > On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 6:46 PM, Eduard Moraru > wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Thanks to Vincent, we have installed the Jira plugin and we should be > good > > to go. > > > > Issues on jira.xiwki.org now have a "Sponsor This!" section and a link > to > > start sponsoring that issue. > > > > The only downside is that instead of having 1 XWiki project for all > > issues, we have 1 project for each Jira project on jira.xwiki.org. This > > means that, as issue will be sponsores/promoted, we`ll start seeing XWiki > > Platform [1], XWiki Enterprise, XWiki Commons, etc... as different > projects > > on the FreedomSponsors.org website. Also, every contrib project will have > > their own FreedomSponsors.org project, just like they do on > jira.xwiki.org > > (e.g. Poll Application [2] for which we proposed an issue as a test). > > However, if you want to look for all xwiki related issues on > > FreedomSponsors.org, you can use the search feature (look for "xwiki") > [3] > > and it will work (match) because all projects (including contrib ones) > have > > the same issue tracker URL base (jira.xwiki.org) and official site ( > > xwiki.org). > > > > I have also updated the Contributing [4] page and listed the sponsoring > of > > issues as an option there, under the Testing section. > > > > Let's see how this goes and don`t hesitate to try an promote this > wherever > > possible ;) > > > > Thanks, > > Eduard > > > > ---------- > > [1] https://freedomsponsors.org/project/276/ > > [2] https://freedomsponsors.org/project/277/ > > [3] https://freedomsponsors.org/search/?s=xwiki > > [4] http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/Contributing#HTesting > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea < > > mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: > > > >> +1 to try it out. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Marius > >> > >> On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 5:48 PM, Eduard Moraru > >> wrote: > >> > Hi devs, > >> > > >> > Reviving this thread since I`ve stumbled upon this again while looking > >> for > >> > Fundry alternatives after a user asked on IRC for ways to donate to > the > >> > XWiki project. > >> > > >> > The stats [1] on this website look promising and, since the vote was > >> > positive on this matter, I suggest we go ahead and install the JIRA > >> plugin > >> > [2] that adds the link to sponsor an issue. > >> > > >> > While going again through the website`s documentation, it`s very clear > >> that > >> > this is not a way to sponsor the project, but only to sponsor > particular > >> > issues and the developer that implements them. This way we have no > >> issues > >> > with the lack of an XWiki foundation for receiving money, since it's > the > >> > particular dev that gets the money. > >> > > >> > Also, this is not a complete solution to the sponsorship/donations > >> issue, > >> > as other solutions can be implemented along side it (e.g. actually > >> donating > >> > to the project, maybe through a foundation), but it is IMO a good > first > >> > step into accepting financial contributions from the community. > >> > > >> > As an added bonus, since contrib projects can use XWiki's jira as > well, > >> > this means that contrib projects can also benefit from this and have > >> > sponsored issues. > >> > > >> > Thanks, > >> > Eduard > >> > > >> > ---------- > >> > [1] https://freedomsponsors.org/stats/ > >> > [2] https://github.com/freedomsponsors/freedomsponsors-jira-plugin > >> > > >> > > >> > On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Eduard Moraru > >> wrote: > >> > > >> >> From Vincent's link[1], I see that this is intended, as it is > actually > >> the > >> >> system's philosophy which is OK in theory, but it is also obvious > that > >> it > >> >> can be abused. > >> >> > >> >> "Once the issue is officially solved the sponsors can verify whether > >> their > >> >> problem is really gone (according to the established criteria) and > pay > >> the > >> >> developer - otherwise they can just walk away. > >> >> > >> >> *This is very important*: there is nothing on the system forcing > >> anybody > >> >> to pay anything. There are no escrows and no pre-paid credits > >> whatsoever. > >> >> This is not an implementation detail – it’s by philosophy. > >> >> > >> >> The whole thing is *voluntary* to begin with. We want sponsors to pay > >> the > >> >> developers because they feel grateful for their work, tipically after > >> their > >> >> problem is actually solved." > >> >> > >> >> Of course, if they did try to handle this issue technically, it would > >> have > >> >> been pretty complex to decide when the task was complete according to > >> the > >> >> sponsor's intention and established criteria. I guess they preferred > to > >> >> have a (hypothetical) frustrated dev that was expecting a payoff for > an > >> >> issue rather than having a (hypothetical) frustrated sponsor that > >> payed for > >> >> something that was not quite what he wanted :) > >> >> > >> >> Anyway, I still think it would not hurt to try it and see how it > goes. > >> >> > >> >> Thanks, > >> >> Eduard > >> >> > >> >> ---------- > >> >> [1] http://blog.freedomsponsors.org/about/ > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Ludovic Dubost > >> wrote: > >> >> > >> >>> Isn't there a control mecanism once the person ready to fix it says > >> "start > >> >>> working on it" ? > >> >>> At that point if the site does not block the money then it's risky > >> >>> > >> >>> Ludovic > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> 2013/3/5 Eduard Moraru > >> >>> > >> >>> > Hi, > >> >>> > > >> >>> > Yes, I really like the fact that it's integrated with jira and > that > >> >>> > everything is contextualized. > >> >>> > > >> >>> > However, I am a bit reserved about the success it is going to > have, > >> >>> since, > >> >>> > AFAIU, there is nothing stopping people from spam-funding issues > >> they > >> >>> want > >> >>> > fixed, but in the end decide that they are not going to fund any > of > >> the > >> >>> > work that has been done. Hope that will not be the case and that > >> devs > >> >>> will > >> >>> > be aware of this possibility and will primarily do it for the fun > :) > >> >>> > > >> >>> > Anyway, I like the idea and I`m definitely +1 for trying it out. > >> >>> > > >> >>> > Thanks, > >> >>> > Eduard > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 6:37 PM, Vincent Massol < > vincent(a)massol.net&gt; > >> >>> wrote: > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > On Mar 5, 2013, at 5:20 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < > >> >>> valicac(a)gmail.com > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > wrote: > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > This seams very similar to Sergiu's ideas some time ago when > we > >> >>> tried > >> >>> > > > with Fundry. > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > Indeed, the idea is the same but the implementation different > and > >> I > >> >>> think > >> >>> > > the link from the jira issue can make a difference. > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > Thanks > >> >>> > > -Vincent > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > Thanks, > >> >>> > > > Caty > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Thomas Mortagne > >> >>> > > > wrote: > >> >>> > > >> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Vincent Massol < > >> vincent(a)massol.net > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > wrote: > >> >>> > > >>> > >> >>> > > >>> On Mar 5, 2013, at 5:03 PM, Thomas Mortagne < > >> >>> > thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com&gt; > >> >>> > > wrote: > >> >>> > > >>> > >> >>> > > >>>> Looks interesting. > >> >>> > > >>>> > >> >>> > > >>>> But who get the money exactly ? > >> >>> > > >>> > >> >>> > > >>> Anyone who implements what's asked. > >> >>> > > >> > >> >>> > > >> +1 then > >> >>> > > >> > >> >>> > > >>> > >> >>> > > >>> See http://blog.freedomsponsors.org/about/ for details. > >> >>> > > >>> > >> >>> > > >>> -Vincent > >> >>> > > >>> > >> >>> > > >>>> Can contributors be assigned to issues > >> >>> > > >>>> or is it only for the project itself (in that case it's not > >> >>> going to > >> >>> > > >>>> be very simple since we don't have any entity yet) ? > >> >>> > > >>>> > >> >>> > > >>>> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Vincent Massol < > >> >>> vincent(a)massol.net&gt; > >> >>> > > wrote: > >> >>> > > >>>>> Hi devs, > >> >>> > > >>>>> > >> >>> > > >>>>> WDYT of doing like Jenkins is doing and adding a "Sponsor > >> this > >> >>> > > issue" button on JIRA? > >> >>> > > >>>>> > >> >>> > > >>>>> For example: > >> >>> > > >>>>> https://issues.jenkins-ci.org/browse/JENKINS-9030 > >> >>> > > >>>>> > >> >>> > > >>>>> When you click it redirects to > >> >>> > > >>>>> > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> > http://www.freedomsponsors.org/core/login/?next=/core/issue/sponsor%3Ftrack… > >> >>> > > >>>>> > >> >>> > > >>>>> You can check > >> >>> > > >>>>> http://www.freedomsponsors.org/ > >> >>> > > >>>>> > >> >>> > > >>>>> It could be interesting to try it and see how it goes. > >> >>> > > >>>>> > >> >>> > > >>>>> WDYT? > >> >>> > > >>>>> > >> >>> > > >>>>> Thanks > >> >>> > > >>>>> -Vincent