On Sep 12, 2013, at 6:02 PM, Sergiu Dumitriu <sergiu(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
On 09/12/2013 11:29 AM, Vincent Massol wrote:
Hi Sergiu,
On Sep 12, 2013, at 5:11 PM, Sergiu Dumitriu <sergiu(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
On 09/11/2013 05:58 AM, Guillaume
"Louis-Marie" Delhumeau wrote:
Since Enterprise embeds Workspaces by default
since 5.2-m2, I think it does
not make any sense to release XWiki Manager (XEM) anymore.
The build is currently broken (because of the XAR organization changes).
So I propose to remove XWiki Manager:
- stop releasing it
- move the github repo to xwiki-contrib/retired
- update
manager.xwiki.org to explain the changes in XWiki 5.2.
- move the manager jira to the retired category
- remove the build in
ci.xwiki.org
Here is my non-binding +1.
LM
-1. This is very premature, the new workspaces haven't been available
for a long enough time to be sure it is a good replacement for XEM.
We will never be able to support XEM as it was since we've modified workspaces (we
didn't add a new module ;)).
There once was a thing called wiki-manager, and XEM was using it. Is
this no longer true, or why do you say that "workspaces" has changed?
It still exists and is made of 2 modules: an API and a UI. the API bundled by default as
was the case in XEM. The UI one is not bundled by default in XE.
Also, since
XEM has always been a packaging only it's not a bit deal. You could always install the
XEM feature on an XE.
Do workspaces fulfill all the needs of existing
XEM users?
yes it's the same thing...
Does the new implementation offer support for the
Farm usage?
same as XEM but the UI module is not installed (it was installed in XEM but hidden). We
could add it but it's a bad idea since it's misleading. The better solution is
what we plan for 5.3 which is to merge the 2 notions.
Is there a clear migration path? Manual or
automatic?
automatic, there's a jira issue for making it work in 5.2.
Is the new wiki management UI going to be at
least as easy to use as the
old one? What's the learning curve for administrators?
it's the same oneā¦
I don't get it... Things are different, yet they're the same? I've seen
a lot of UI changes, name changes, functionality changes, yet nothing
actually changed since XEM is Workspaces?
The platform-workspaces module has changed. This module was bundled in XEM. Now it's
bundled in XE too.
Maybe we're talking about different things.
I'm not asking if Workspaces
packaged as XEM has the same functionality as XEM, I'm asking if the old
multiwiki farm manager that has been available in 2.x, 3.x, 4.x and is
still used on MyXWiki will still be available.
Yes it's there and not touched at all (it's wiki-manager-api and wiki-manager-ui
FTR).
Thanks
-Vincent
If the build is broken, it's easier to fix it than
to upset a large
userbase.
No. Again, we modified workspaces so even if continue providing the XEM packaging the
changes will be there and if we upset users in XE we will upset them in XEM...
Why do we insist so much on maintaining
backwards
compatibility for Java APIs that we're almost certain nobody uses, yet
we're OK with dropping an entire product without a proven alternative,
hoping that in one or two more releases that alternative will actually
be fully implemented?
See above.
Thanks
-Vincent
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Sergiu Dumitriu
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