Re: [xwiki-devs] [Proposals] Menu improvements when Workspaces activated

19 Sep 2013

yes, the 'Index' was proposed in order to have consistency between the
entries: 'Documents Index', 'Users Index', 'Applications Index',
'Wikis
Index', etc. (Obs. the Applications Index is not yet implemented, but the
entry should provide a livetable that allows filtering for entries of a
certain type: documents, users, wikis, etc.)

the alternative was to have 'Documents Directory', 'Users Directory',
'Applications Directory', 'Wikis Directory'.

I think that the 'Index' version is much shorter than the 'Directory',
while having a more generic meaning. Alternatives: 'List', etc.

Just for the record, the proposal uses the "plural" form of the entities.
It would be great if an english speaker could give its opinion on the
correct form.

Thanks,
Caty

On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <
gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote:

...
  2013/9/19 Ludovic Dubost &lt;ludovic(a)xwiki.com&gt;

  Hi,

 This looks good. I have a comment though on the "User index". I'm sorry
 if
  this was already discussed.

 My first reaction was that it's not really telling me what it is. I  suppose
  it's the "User Directory". Maybe my
english is wrong, but why not just
 calling it "User Directory" like it is right now.

 I suppose the reason is to have "Document Index" followed by "User 
Index",
  but I don't think it's the same thing.

 Yes, the idea was to have a consistency between names in the menu. Is that
 true Caty?

 But my english is not good enough to say if it is correct or not...

 Ludovic

 2013/9/18 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau &lt;gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt;

  You can see some screenshots in the JIRA:
 http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9475

 Thanks,
 LM

 2013/9/18 Fabio Mancinelli &lt;fabio.mancinelli(a)xwiki.com&gt;

  On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Guillaume
"Louis-Marie" Delhumeau
 &lt;gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote:
 > Indeed, the proposal A was based on
 > 

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead
  > > > of 
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu.
  > > >
 > > > Then I suggest to call your proposal: E.
 > > >
 > > > Let me recap:
 > > >
 > > > - Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu".
 > > >
 > > > - Proposal B : XWiki right side menu
 > > >
 > > > - Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu
 > > >
 > > > - Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo.
 > > >
 > > > - Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty.
 > > >
 > >
 > > I like both B and E.
 > >
 > > I liked E because it keeps the left area the same. Since all the  wikis
  > > are equal, so it should be the area for
manipulating it. But since  the
   > main
wiki is "more equal" than the others, it's good to show it. I
 > understand the problem of E but I cannot think of another place where
 > to put this menu.
 >
 > What I don't like of E is just the "home" label.
 > Home will become too overloaded. Every wiki has a home, now with that
 > menu there will be a home which is the home of the main wiki.
 >
 > I cannot think of a better alternative besides "Main" that suffers of
 > the same problem (since every wiki has a Main space).
 > Maybe calling it "XWiki" can really be a possible solution.
 >
 > -Fabio
 >
 >
 >
 >
 > > --
 > >
 > > About E:
 > > Some issues IMHO:
 > > - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home wiki  and
  > > when you are in the subwiki.
 > > - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the  users
 > > and
 > > > the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? 
Can't
  it
 > > be
 > > > confusing?
 > > >
 > > > Thanks,
 > > > Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > > > 2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) &lt;valicac(a)gmail.com&gt;
 > > >
 > > >> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol < 
vincent(a)massol.net

 > >> wrote:
 > >>
 > >> > You forgot one proposal which I like:
 > >> >
 > >> > == Proposal D ==
 > >> >
 > >> > * Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left)
 > >> > * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current 
wiki
 > > >> > * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow
 > navigating
 > > >> > either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of
 other
   >
wikis
 > >> > * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover 
over
  > the
 > >> > logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with 
first
  > >> entry
 > >> > = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a
second entry  with
 > > >> "Wiki
 > > >> > Index" for example.
 > > >> >
 > > >> > What I like with this is that the user is already used to use
 the
  > > logo as
 > > >> > a way to navigate to the home of wiki.
 > > >> >
 > > >> > Thanks
 > > >> > -Vincent
 > > >> >
 > > >> > On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau
<
 > > >> > gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote:
 > > >> >
 > > >> > > Hi developers.
 > > >> > >
 > > >> > > Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that
integrate
 > > >> Workspace
 > > >> > in
 > > >> > > XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA:
 > > >> > > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu
improvements  when
  > > >> > Workspaces
 > > >> > > activated".
 > > >> > >
 > > >> > > The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal
for M2
 > (which
 > > was
 > > >> > > scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull
 > request. I
 > > >> have
 > > >> > > also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work.
 > > >> > >
 > > >> > > == Proposal A ==
 > > >> > > There is some screenshots (Proposal A):
 > > >> > > Logged as admin:
 > > >> > >
 > > 
 http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
    >> > > Not logged as admin:
 >> > >
 >> >
 >>

http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admi…
    >> > >
 >> > > You can get it from this commit:
 >> > >
 >> >
 >>

https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e50249…
    >> > > (except that I have changed the
wiki icon for this screenshot)
 >> > >
 >> >
 >>
 >> So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal
 >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
 >>
 >> In your screenshot is:
 >> * Home
 >> ** Administer Main Wiki
 >> ** Wiki Directory
 >>
 >> What it was proposed:
 >> * Home
 >> ** Administration
 >> ** Wikis Index
 >> ** ....
 >>
 >>

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM…
    >>
 >>

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM…
   >
>>
 > >> "Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as:
 > >> - "Administration"
 > >> or
 > >> - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home"
 > >> depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki.
 > >>
 > >>
 > >> > > We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the
 > current
 > >> > menus:
 > >> > > - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when
 we
 > > are
 > > >> in
 > > >> > a
 > > >> > > (sub)wiki? Does it make sense?
 > > >> >
 > > >>
 > > >> As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to 
administrate
  > both
 > > >> the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home 
(mainwiki).
  > > >>
 > > >>
 > > >> > > - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of
 the
   >
current
 > >> > > wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a
"main"  and
 > > >> > several
 > > >> > > "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We
could  imagine,
   in
 > the
 > >> > > future, a new implementation where there is no distinction 
between
 > > >> "main"
 > > >> > > and "sub", but where we have an independent
"system" that  allows
  > the
 > > >> > users
 > > >> > > to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to
 call
 > > the
 > > > >> menu
 > > > >> > > "System" or "XWiki".
 > > > >> >
 > > > >>
 > > > >> The "main" and "sub" is transformed in
"home" and "wiki". The menu
 > > > displays
 > > > >> the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also
consistent
 > with
 > > > the
 > > > >> way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.)
 > > > >>
 > > > >> > - When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki,
we only
 > have
 > > a
 > > > >> > > single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and
page has
 > more
 > > > >> > content.
 > > > >> > > It does not look good.
 > > > >> >
 > > > >>
 > > > >> In the proposal there is
    >>
 >>

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM…
   >
>> Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we  could
 > > also
 > > >> list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User
Directory"
 > > (especially
 > > >> since workspaces have only global users and the directory is 
located
  > in
 > > the
 > > >> main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in
order to  have
 > a
 > > > >> consistency between the index/directory applications naming.
 > > > >>
 > > > >> So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the
 > > submenu,
 > > > we
 > > > >> could have more entries (if they are related to the Home
 > (mainwiki)).
 > > > >>
 > > > >>
 > > > >> > > - If you are in the main wiki, you have
"Administer main wiki"
 > > > twice:
 > > > >> > once
 > > > >> > > in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu.
 > > > >> > > - The left menu has too many items.
 > > > >> >
 > > > >>
 > > > >> If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from
 > > > >> * Menu in the (sub)wiki
    >>
 >>

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM…
 > > > >> in
 > > > >> * Menu in the Home (mainwiki)
    >>
 >>

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM…
   >
>>
 > >> The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of
 > content'
 > >> inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages)
 > >>
 > >>
 > >> > >
 > >> > > == Proposal B ==
 > >> > > Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in 
5.2M2,
   so we
 >> > > started to iterate until having this proposal:
 >> > >
 >> >
 >>

http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(pro…
   >
>> > > B).
 > >> > >
 > >> > > Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the
 left
  > >> side,
 > >> > we
 > >> > > have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can 
actually
  > >> > achieve
 > >> > > on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like
"Administer",  "Delete"
 > > or
 > > >> > > "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions
like that,  it
   just
 > >> > > provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's
 more a
 > > >> > "System"
 > > >> > > menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action.
That's  why
  we
   put
 >> it
 >> > > there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less
 >> confusing.
 >> >
 >>
 >> I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content 
organization
 > >> hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page.
 > >> You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content || 
User".
  > The
 > >> "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your
 > location in
 > >> the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User related
 > actions.
 > >>
 > >> Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to 
customize
   >>
their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making it  their
  >> own.
 >>
 >>
 >> > >
 >> > > == Proposal C ==
 >> > > We had also this idea:
 >> > >
 >> >
 >>

http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposal…
   >
>> > > But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and
the  "Main
 > > Wiki"
 > > >> > > link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions
 like
  > > >> > >
"Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are.
 > > >> >
 > > >>
 > > >> Crowded and serves as a double function.
 > > >>
 > > >>
 > > >> > >
 > > >> > > ---
 > > >> > > After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent:
"What
 > should I
 > > >> do?
 > > >> > Do
 > > >> > > I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said
yes,
 > > because he
 > > >> > > wanted to have something to show to the community that can
 still
  > be
 > > >> > changed
 > > >> > > for the RC1, and he applied the pull request.
 > > >> > >
 > > >> > > So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have:
 > > >> > >
 > > >> > > A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal):
 > > >> > > Current implementation:
 > > >> > >
 > > 
 http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
    >> > > Mockup with the new skin:
 >> > >
 >> >
 >>

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/Men…
  > > >> > >
 > > >> > > B - "XWiki" right menu:
 > > >> > >
 > > >>
 > 
 http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png
  > > >> > >
 > > >> > > C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu:
 > > >> > >
 > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png
 > > >> > >
 > > >> > > I propose to start a thread where you can all give your
 opinion,
   >
>> > regarding
 > >> > > one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We
 must
   have
 >> a
 >> > > consensus for the RC1!
 >> > >
 >> > > 0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy).
 >> > > +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO).
 >> > > -1 for proposal C.
 >> > >
 >> >
 >>
 >> So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed:
 >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
 >>
 >> (Wiki / (sub)wiki)
 >> * Home
 >> ** Administration
 >> ** ---
 >> ** Wikis Index/Directory
 >> ** Documents Index
 >>
 >> (Home/mainwiki)
 >> * Home
 >> ** Watch Home
 >> ** Administer Home
 >> ** ---
 >> ** Wikis Index
 >> ** Documents Index
 >>
 >> Thanks,
 >> Caty
 >>
 >>
 >> > > Louis-Marie
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Re: [xwiki-devs] [Proposals] Menu improvements when Workspaces activated