20 Oct
2014
20 Oct
'14
7:05 p.m.
Hi Anca,
Some comments
1) I agree about making the home page a simple page to teach the first user (admin
usually) the main concepts of the wiki and to let him customize it for his/her own need. I
agree that we need to teach the user a few things, like using the include macro (this
allows the user to make the home page be any of the existing page, includes pages from
extensions he/she installed). Explaining how to create a Dashboard could be interesting
too.
2a) If we implement 1) then we should modify the Dashboard so that it's oriented fully
towards being a dashboard to show what's going on in the wiki.
2b) Alternatively to 2a) we could bundle a few more Dashboards by default in the Dashboard
Application (say we have 2 by default) and make Dashboard.WebHome be some kind of AWM
application that lists all Dashboard that exist in the wiki in a LiveTable with a button
to create new Dashboards. This would allow to explain in 1) how to perform an include and
then direct the user to 2b) to create a new Dashboard that can then be included.
2c) Alternatively to 2a) we could decide that the Dashboard application doesn't
register itself in the App Panel and instead introduce a new whatsnew application with a
"What's New" page (or rather reuse the existing Index Application and add a
"What's New" page in it) and make it appear in the App Panel.
2d) We could also do 2b) + 2c), ie. have both "Dashboards" and "What's
New" entries in the Application Panel
2e) Alternatively to 2c) or 2d), we could also have a What's New feature in the nav
bar somewhere (possibly even both in the Wiki menu and in the Space menu for the
wiki-level what's new and space-level what's new)
WDYT?
Thanks
-Vincent
On 17 Oct 2014 at 18:26:36, Anca Luca (lucaa@xwiki.com(mailto:lucaa@xwiki.com)) wrote:
Hello all,
so on the topic of "removing the dashboard from the homepage" and if people
need it they can access it independently.
In my opinion, this dashboard does not really exist or have any value
beyond the homepage. I mean, what does it mean, what is it used for besides
the homepage? What would the dashboard be used other than having an
overview of the wiki? And if people remove it from the homepage of the
wiki, what would they put instead? An overview of the wiki? Isn't that what
dashboard means?
By this logic, I would find it strange to have a homepage and a dashboard,
as 2 separate entities, because for me they would mean the same thing. So
multiple possibilities:
1/ our _default_ dashboard displayed on the homepage (included or not, I
don't care) is not good enough because it does not offer a good _default_
overview of the wiki. We need to change the dashboard. In this case, we
improve the way we modify this dashboard, to allow people to change the
"default" overview which guides the user through the wiki with an overview
that is more adapted to the user's usecase.
2/ we change the homepage and we remove the dashboard from it and implement
an overview of the wiki differently (which would still be a dashboard at
the conceptual level but implemented differently). In this case, the
Dashboard.WebHome should be removed completely from the menu, because the
dashboard _is_ the home page (see my remark above) :) . We can make the
homepage a regular page so that users can edit it very easily by default,
but we also allow them to easily make it a dashboard with gadgets and drag
& drop, so that they can organize their content. I am thinking for example
of a button on the homepage, in view mode injected with javascript or UI
extension or I don't know, which runs a script that creates a new version
of the homepage which contains a dashboard macro call and a default gadget
and the user is taken to the edit mode of the homepage, with the dashboard
editor in it.
The only reason why the dashboard is separate now, in Dashboard.WebHome, is
for legacy reasons, because it used to be included as the homepage of all
sort of default spaces, so we needed something that can be re-used for
spaces homes as well. Otherwise, from my point of view, it does not need to
be a separate entity. I mean, one should be able to create as many
dashboards as they'd want (on any page they want), but by default the
dashboard of the wiki is only one, the homepage of the wiki.
Anca
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 3:23 PM, vincent(a)massol.net
wrote:
Hi devs,
As you know I started working on a Home Page Application, see:
- JIRA with screenshots: http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-10586
- Discussion thread: http://markmail.org/message/ghelufamwucog46x
I have it all done locally but I refrained from committing it because on
the email thread some expressed their doubts.
I started thinking about it and I expressed some idea in the thread
started by Caty about "Wiki - Space - Page concepts pitch":
http://markmail.org/message/jefze7nvprz36pkw
I’m pasting it here again for discussion (with some edits):
"
BTW concerning the home page, I’m more and more leaning towards removing
the dashboard from it (it’s accessible from the App panel anyway) and
instead have it contain:
- explanation about how the wiki is organized (wikis, spaces, pages)
- explanation about base concepts (editing, saving, etc)
- encourage the user to edit this home page to make it his own and put the
content he wishes instead
I think this would solve the following issues:
- users always want to customize the home page and this makes it easy
(it’s a standard page, no dashboard). This is also a way for them to take
ownership of the wiki as theirs.
- explains the main concepts of wiki, space, page
Of course, we also need to provide a navigation panel for easy navigation
in the wiki/spaces/pages.
“
If we agree about the idea of removing the dashboard and instead have a
simple page then we’ll need to discuss the exact content and for that I’m
proposing to discuss with Caty/GuillaumeD and make a proposal for further
discussion. Of course any idea in reply to this email would also be much
appreciated.
But first things first! We first need to decide if this is a good idea or
not.
WDYT?
Thanks
-Vincent
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