Hi,
Thank you for your votes. I've integrate the Homepage changes and we are
using the Junco skin on
__Discussion 1__
So one of the problems is 'Clearing your Cache'. In order to see the
changes correctly you need to refresh the page and make sure the cache is
updated with the new style rules.
It would be great if someone would know how we could force the clearing of
the cache. Maybe
?
__Discussion 2__
On a related topic, Vincent thinks we should not use a 'centered' design,
instead have (just like Colibri has) a 'full width 'design.
I've made some screenshots (please take a look at them in full view):
* Centered:
is a documentation site so most of its content needs to be
read;
- From a readability point of view, if the line is too long it is harder
for the eye to read it, please read
;
- Being a responsive skin, for smaller devices the content goes full width,
so the centered width is just for large resolutions;
Let me know what you think,
Caty
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 11:13 AM, Ludovic Dubost <ludovic(a)xwiki.com>wrote;wrote:
Great job indeed. I installed on a test wiki on a
4.5 farm and it looks
quite nice.
I have a few questions.
1/ If I understand properly we have a legacy.css where lives all CSS of
HTML that would not have been made clean plain bootstrap compatible HTML.
Is that so ?
I've took colibri.css:
- stripped it from any rules that Bootstrap already covers (reset,
standard html elements, forms, etc.);
- mapped what I could to Bootstrap components (tables, boxes, panels,
etc.);
- stripped layout elements and tried to get rid of ColorThemes values (in
the end realizing that I can't, without loosing functionality);
- cleaned the remaining selectors and properties (removed IE6,7 rules;
removed rules that maybe are covered by Bootstrap; etc.)
What remained are classes that will be needed by any new skin; classes
that kind of represent the CSS API (although there are still parts that
could be moved to their specific component file).
I though that if someone makes a change in Colibri and that selector is
also in legacy.css it should be ported here (that's why I left the
selectors as original).
Everything that is in legacy.css could be rewritten in junco.css, but it
will create a bigger gap between the two skins.
2/ In terms of work, how much and what is needed
to get to a point where
this could become our default skin, knowing that we should not have
feature
regression, for instance users should still be able to build their color
themes in Wysiwyg like they can with colibri.
I'm sure we can find a solution to do on the fly compiling when saving
color themes so to solve the issue of needing LESS.
The integration problems are presented above (__Platform integration
problems__). One is the need to be able to build LESS files and update them
'on the fly'.
Regarding ColorThemes values, there are 2 files:
- global/xwiki-colorthemes.less - which is kind of a colorThemeInit.vm
https://github.com/evalica/bootswatch/blob/junco-themes/global/xwiki-colort…
- <theme>/xwiki-colortheme.less - which overrides the initialization and
provide colors for a specific theme
Blueberry example:
https://github.com/evalica/bootswatch/blob/junco-themes/blueberry/xwiki-col…
So when changing ColorThemes values, we need to make sure we update this
files.
3/ How much is needed to get rid of legacy and have a fully native skin
with the new system ?
As stated above, legacy.css is not a limitation. We could rename it from
legacy.css to base.css or api.css, we could maybe write some more
performant selectors or maybe write them using LESS nested selectors.
The file contains the common denominator for Colibri and Junco and some
parts of the layout could be removed from it, in order to make it a true
API file. All the selectors that will be removed from here will end up in
the xwiki-common.less
https://github.com/evalica/bootswatch/blob/junco-themes/global/xwiki-common…
If we rewrite it whole, the only problem is that it will be harder to
update both Colibri and Junco.
4/ What is the migration path for a wiki where a custom skin has been
built
on colibri
Because of the mapping between XWiki and Bootstrap the Colibri classes
will be covered in Junco.
The problem are base HTML elements, that may have other default values.
I'm sure tables will produce some problems, because in Colibri they didn't
had any default padding, while after mapping they do. If someone use table
for layout, there will be some extra spacing.
There is not migration path for skins like that. Although we should have
minor problems, they will need to be tested and fixed manually.
5/ What are the potential consequences on future compatibility with
colibri
based skin, particularly if we start modifying our HTML produced by
different modules ?
So the current HTML structure is covered by legacy.css and
xwiki-mapping.less.
If someone will want to change the HTML structure, you need to:
- make sure that the classes you delete are not 'API', this means they are
not called in legacy or xwiki-mapping. If a class is present in these files
means it also has a significance in Colibri;
- if you find a certain class, don't delete it. Instead just append your
new class or Bootstrap class. Keeping the legacy class, it will have a
fallback if Colibri skin will be used.
Of course there will be differences between skins if we start using
Bootstrap components and that is normal (because Colibri will not know of
their existence).
Thanks,
Caty
Ludovic
2013/9/20 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <valicac(a)gmail.com>
Hi devs,
For the past weeks I've been working on a skin based on Bootstrap[1].
You
can read more about it and test the new Junco
Skin at
http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Junco+Skin
This proposal is about using the Junco Skin (Blueberry
Theme<
http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Junco+Skin#HTheme:Blue…
)
for
xwiki.org.
I prepared some responsive screenshots for the
xwiki.org Homepage and
an
Extension page.
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/XWikiOrgJuncoHomep…
This is my +1
Please report any issues on
https://github.com/evalica/bootswatch/issues
__Advantages__
- a change is always welcomed, shows the users there is activity on the
website;
- the skin is responsive;
- by using Bootstrap we have the whole framework's power to use (grids,
components, etc.);
- we have the chance to test a bit the skin in production and see the
possible bugs, in order to later integrate;
- IMO the skin looks nice :)
__Disadvantages__
- the only disadvantage is that there will be bugs and they will take
some
time to be detected and fixed;
__Platform integration problems__
1. currently the new skin uses the HTML5 doctype. This is needed if we
were
to use some Bootstrap JS components (carousel,
menus, etc.) - which we
currently don't on
xwiki.org, so I could use the old doctype (but lose
some
of the testing purpose). Because of the HTML5 doctype, the HTML
validation
fails. See
http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-7552
2. Junco Skin currently doesn't have support for changing the
ColorThemes
on the fly. I would need the help of a developer
to fix this problem. Is
not so much a problem for
xwiki.org (I could fix them by duplicating
some
code in the
xwiki.org skin), but it is a problem
for the integration.
3. Being build on Bootstrap, it needs LESS to compile the files into
CSS.
Again I would need a developer to see how we
could integrate the
building
of the themes in platform. Right now this is done
locally, partially
manual
by using Grunt.
Tell me what you think and take some time to test the skin,
Caty
[1]
http://getbootstrap.com/
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