16 Sep
2013
16 Sep
'13
3:27 p.m.
Hi.
Seems RC1 is soon, I encourage everybody to give his point of view in order
to make a choice.
Thanks,
Guillaume
2013/9/12 Jeremie BOUSQUET <jeremie.bousquet(a)gmail.com>
Hi,
2013/9/12 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com>
logo
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admi…
https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e50249…
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM…
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM…
the
displays
> the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent with
the
> > way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.)
> >
> > > - When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only have a
> > > > single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has more
> > > content.
> > > > It does not look good.
> > >
> >
> > In the proposal there is
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM…
(especially
twice:
> > > once
> > > > in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu.
> > > > - The left menu has too many items.
> > >
> >
> > If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from
> > * Menu in the (sub)wiki
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM…
> > in
> > * Menu in the Home (mainwiki)
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM…
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(pro…
location
> in
> > the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User related
> actions.
> >
> > Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to customize
> > their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making it their
> > own.
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > > == Proposal C ==
> > > > We had also this idea:
> > > >
>
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposal…
I
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/Men…
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Indeed, the proposal A was based on
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead
of
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu .
Then I suggest to call your proposal: E.
Let me recap:
- Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu".
- Proposal B : XWiki right side menu
- Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu
- Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo.
- Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty.
--
About E:
Some issues IMHO:
- The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home wiki and
when you are in the subwiki.
- Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the users
and
the applications of the home wiki when you are in
the subwiki? Can't it
be
confusing?
I would say: it depends.
In "farm" concept it's almost completely useless, because different
persons
will administrate different subwikis of their own and someone else will
administrate main wiki.
In "workspace" concept, I find very useful to be able to administrate main
wiki without having to browse to main wiki, because I may find myself
wanting to administer main wiki just anytime, while I administer a subwiki
merely to manage users allowed in this subwiki ... and, yes, install
extensions and choose a color theme.
To be honest, I use 5.1 + Workspace extension, and I hardly have any issue
with navigating through wikis, administering this or that etc ... The only
thing I would miss, are some quick links to switch to a wiki or the other
(instead of having to browse to a "Workspace directory" page), but this
kind of thing does not really scale with numerous wikis.
I like Vincent's idea to tweak the home logo, as I never quite liked the
idea of a "Home" menu - home in websites is typically the homepage, and
nothing else.
Thanks,
Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau
2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <valicac(a)gmail.com>
> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
> wrote:
>
> > You forgot one proposal which I like:
> >
> > == Proposal D ==
> >
> > * Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left)
> > * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current wiki
> > * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow navigating
> > either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of other
wikis
> * It
could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover over
the
> > logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with first
> entry
> > = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second
entry with
> "Wiki
> > Index" for example.
> >
> > What I like with this is that the user is already used to use the as
was
> > > scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull request.
I
a way to
navigate to the home of wiki.
Thanks
-Vincent
On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau <
gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
> Hi developers.
>
> Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate
Workspace
> in
> > XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA:
> > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when
> Workspaces
> > activated".
> >
> > The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2 (which have
> > also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work.
> >
> > == Proposal A ==
> > There is some screenshots (Proposal A):
> > Logged as admin:
> >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
> Not
logged as admin:
>
>
> You can get it from this commit:
>
> (except that I have changed the wiki icon for
this screenshot)
>
So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
In your screenshot is:
* Home
** Administer Main Wiki
** Wiki Directory
What it was proposed:
* Home
** Administration
** Wikis Index
** ....
>
> "Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as:
> - "Administration"
> or
> - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home"
> depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki.
>
>
> > > We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the
current
> > menus:
> > > - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when we
are
> in
> > a
> > > (sub)wiki? Does it make sense?
> >
>
> As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to administrate
both
the
current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home (mainwiki).
> > - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the
current
> > wiki, space and page? The fact that
there is actually a "main" and
> several
> > "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could imagine, in
the
> > > future, a new implementation where there is no distinction between
> "main"
> > > and "sub", but where we have an independent "system"
that allows users
> to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call the
menu
> "System" or "XWiki".
The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and
"wiki". The menu Although
this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we could
also
> list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User Directory"
since
workspaces have only global users and the directory is located in
the
main wiki). In the proposal I've used "
*** Index" in order to have a
consistency between the index/directory applications naming.
So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the submenu,
we
> could have more entries (if they are related to the Home (mainwiki)).
>
>
> > > - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki"
>
> The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of
content'
> inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages)
>
>
> > >
> > > == Proposal B ==
> > > Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in 5.2M2,
so
> we
> > > > started to iterate until having this proposal:
> > > >
>
> > > B).
> > >
> > > Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the left
> side,
> > we
> > > have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can actually
> > achieve
> > > on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer",
"Delete"
or
> > > "Rename". The XWiki menu
does not provide actions like that, it
just
> >
provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's more a
> "System"
> > menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why we
put
it
I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content organization
hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page.
You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content || User".
The
> "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your > there. Moreover, it make the left menu
smaller, which is less
confusing.
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> >
But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the "Main
Wiki"
> > > link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like
> > > "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are.
> >
>
> Crowded and serves as a double function.
>
>
> > >
> > > ---
> > > After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What should
> do?
> > Do
> > > I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes,
because
> he
> > > > wanted to have something to show to the community that can still be
> > > changed
> > > > for the RC1, and he applied the pull request.
> > > >
> > > > So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have:
> > > >
> > > > A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal):
> > > > Current implementation:
> > > >
> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
> > > > Mockup with the new skin:
> > > >
>
> > >
> > > B - "XWiki" right menu:
> > >
>
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png
>
>
> > C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu:
> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png
> >
> > I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion,
> regarding
> > one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We must
have
a
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> consensus for the RC1!
>
> 0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy).
> +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO).
> -1 for proposal C.
>
So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed:
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
(Wiki / (sub)wiki)
* Home
** Administration
** ---
** Wikis Index/Directory
** Documents Index
(Home/mainwiki)
* Home
** Watch Home
** Administer Home
** ---
** Wikis Index
** Documents Index
Thanks,
Caty
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