Re: [xwiki-devs] [Proposals] Menu improvements when Workspaces activated

Indeed, the proposal A was based on http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenu instead of http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu . Then I suggest to call your proposal: E. Let me recap: - Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu".

- Proposal B : XWiki right side menu

- Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu

- Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo.

- Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty.

-- About E: Some issues IMHO: - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home wiki and when you are in the subwiki. - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the users and the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? Can't it be confusing? Thanks, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau 2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) &lt;valicac(a)gmail.com&gt; > On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt; > wrote: > >> You forgot one proposal which I like: >> >> == Proposal D == >> >> * Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left) >> * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current wiki >> * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow navigating >> either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of other wikis >> * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover over the >> logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with first > entry >> = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second entry with > "Wiki >> Index" for example. >> >> What I like with this is that the user is already used to use the logo as >> a way to navigate to the home of wiki. >> >> Thanks >> -Vincent >> >> On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau < >> gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: >> >>> Hi developers. >>> >>> Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate > Workspace >> in >>> XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA: >>> http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when >> Workspaces >>> activated". >>> >>> The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2 (which was >>> scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull request. I > have >>> also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work. >>> >>> == Proposal A == >>> There is some screenshots (Proposal A): >>> Logged as admin: >>> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png >>> Not logged as admin: >>> >> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admi… >>> >>> You can get it from this commit: >>> >> > https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e50249… >>> (except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot) >>> >> > > So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu > > In your screenshot is: > * Home > ** Administer Main Wiki > ** Wiki Directory > > What it was proposed: > * Home > ** Administration > ** Wikis Index > ** .... > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… > > "Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as: > - "Administration" > or > - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home" > depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki. > > >>> We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the current >> menus: >>> - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when we are > in >> a >>> (sub)wiki? Does it make sense? >> > > As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to administrate both > the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home (mainwiki). > > >>> - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the current >>> wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main" and >> several >>> "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could imagine, in the >>> future, a new implementation where there is no distinction between > "main" >>> and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that allows the >> users >>> to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call the > menu >>> "System" or "XWiki". >> > > The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and "wiki". The menu displays > the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent with the > way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.) > >> - When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only have a >>> single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has more >> content. >>> It does not look good. >> > > In the proposal there is > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… > Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we could also > list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User Directory" (especially > since workspaces have only global users and the directory is located in the > main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order to have a > consistency between the index/directory applications naming. > > So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the submenu, we > could have more entries (if they are related to the Home (mainwiki)). > > >>> - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki" twice: >> once >>> in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu. >>> - The left menu has too many items. >> > > If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from > * Menu in the (sub)wiki > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… > in > * Menu in the Home (mainwiki) > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM… > > The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of content' > inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages) > > >>> >>> == Proposal B == >>> Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in 5.2M2, so we >>> started to iterate until having this proposal: >>> >> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(pro… >>> B). >>> >>> Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the left > side, >> we >>> have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can actually >> achieve >>> on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer", "Delete" or >>> "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, it just >>> provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's more a >> "System" >>> menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why we put > it >>> there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less > confusing. >> > > I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content organization > hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page. > You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content || User". The > "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your location in > the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User related actions. > > Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to customize > their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making it their > own. > > >>> >>> == Proposal C == >>> We had also this idea: >>> >> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposal… >>> But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the "Main Wiki" >>> link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like >>> "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are. >> > > Crowded and serves as a double function. > > >>> >>> --- >>> After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What should I > do? >> Do >>> I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes, because he >>> wanted to have something to show to the community that can still be >> changed >>> for the RC1, and he applied the pull request. >>> >>> So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have: >>> >>> A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal): >>> Current implementation: >>> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png >>> Mockup with the new skin: >>> >> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/Men… >>> >>> B - "XWiki" right menu: >>> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png >>> >>> C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu: >>> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png >>> >>> I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion, >> regarding >>> one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We must have > a >>> consensus for the RC1! >>> >>> 0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy). >>> +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO). >>> -1 for proposal C. >>> >> > > So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed: > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu > > (Wiki / (sub)wiki) > * Home > ** Administration > ** --- > ** Wikis Index/Directory > ** Documents Index > > (Home/mainwiki) > * Home > ** Watch Home > ** Administer Home > ** --- > ** Wikis Index > ** Documents Index > > Thanks, > Caty