Re: [xwiki-devs] [Proposals] Menu improvements when Workspaces activated

23 Sep 2013

Denis and I would like to have an "Home" menu when the user has a single
wiki too, instead of having "Wiki: xwiki".

Anybody else would like to have it?

Thanks,
Louis-Marie

2013/9/20 Silvia Rusu &lt;silvia.rusu(a)xwiki.com&gt;

...
  Hi,

 We currently operate with document index, which sounds best in my
 view. For consistency reasons +1 to use User Index and Wiki Index.

 Thanks,
 Silvia

 On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
 &lt;valicac(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
  yes, the 'Index' was proposed in order to
have consistency between the
 entries: 'Documents Index', 'Users Index', 'Applications Index',
'Wikis
 Index', etc. (Obs. the Applications Index is not yet implemented, but the
 entry should provide a livetable that allows filtering for entries of a
 certain type: documents, users, wikis, etc.)

 the alternative was to have 'Documents Directory', 'Users Directory',
 'Applications Directory', 'Wikis Directory'.

 I think that the 'Index' version is much shorter than the 'Directory',
 while having a more generic meaning. Alternatives: 'List', etc.

 Just for the record, the proposal uses the "plural" form of the entities.
 It would be great if an english speaker could give its opinion on the
 correct form.

 Thanks,
 Caty

 On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <
 gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote:

> 2013/9/19 Ludovic Dubost &lt;ludovic(a)xwiki.com&gt;
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > This looks good. I have a comment though on the "User index". I'm
 sorry
 > if
> > this was already discussed.
> >
> > My first reaction was that it's not really telling me what it is. I
> suppose
> > it's the "User Directory". Maybe my english is wrong, but why not
just
> > calling it "User Directory" like it is right now.
> >
> > I suppose the reason is to have "Document Index" followed by
"User
> Index",
> > but I don't think it's the same thing.
> >
>
> Yes, the idea was to have a consistency between names in the menu. Is  that
 > true Caty?
>
> But my english is not good enough to say if it is correct or not...
>
>
> >
> > Ludovic
> >
> >
> > 2013/9/18 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau
&lt;gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt;
> >
> > > You can see some screenshots in the JIRA:
> > > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9475
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > LM
> > >
> > >
> > > 2013/9/18 Fabio Mancinelli &lt;fabio.mancinelli(a)xwiki.com&gt;
> > >
> > > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie"
Delhumeau
> > > > &lt;gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote:
> > > > > Indeed, the proposal A was based on
> > > > >
> > >
> >
> 
 http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead
 > > > > > of
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu.
> > > > >
> > > > > Then I suggest to call your proposal: E.
> > > > >
> > > > > Let me recap:
> > > > >
> > > > > - Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu".
> > > > >
> > > > > - Proposal B : XWiki right side menu
> > > > >
> > > > > - Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu
> > > > >
> > > > > - Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo.
> > > > >
> > > > > - Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by
Caty.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I like both B and E.
> > > >
> > > > I liked E because it keeps the left area the same. Since all the
> wikis
> > > > are equal, so it should be the area for manipulating it. But since
> the
> > > > main wiki is "more equal" than the others, it's good to
show it. I
> > > > understand the problem of E but I cannot think of another place 
where
 > > > > to put this menu.
> > > >
> > > > What I don't like of E is just the "home" label.
> > > > Home will become too overloaded. Every wiki has a home, now with
 that
 > > > > menu there will be a home
which is the home of the main wiki.
> > > >
> > > > I cannot think of a better alternative besides "Main" that
 suffers of
 > > > > the same problem (since every
wiki has a Main space).
> > > > Maybe calling it "XWiki" can really be a possible solution.
> > > >
> > > > -Fabio
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > > About E:
> > > > > Some issues IMHO:
> > > > > - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home
 wiki
 > > and
> > > > > when you are in the subwiki.
> > > > > - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents,
 the
 > > users
> > > > and
> > > > > the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki?
> Can't
> > it
> > > > be
> > > > > confusing?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) &lt;valicac(a)gmail.com&gt;
> > > > >
> > > > >> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol <
> vincent(a)massol.net
> > >
> > > > >> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > You forgot one proposal which I like:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > == Proposal D ==
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > * Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left)
> > > > >> > * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the
 current
 > > wiki
> > > > >> > * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to
allow
> > > navigating
> > > > >> > either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list
of
> other
> > > > wikis
> > > > >> > * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the
mouse  hover
 > > over
> > > > the
> > > > >> > logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a
menu  with
 > > first
> > > > >> entry
> > > > >> > = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you
prefer) and a second  entry
 > > with
> > > > >> "Wiki
> > > > >> > Index" for example.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > What I like with this is that the user is already used
to use
> the
> > > > logo as
> > > > >> > a way to navigate to the home of wiki.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Thanks
> > > > >> > -Vincent
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie
 Delhumeau <
 > > > > >> >
gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > > Hi developers.
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues
that  integrate
 > > > > >> Workspace
> > > > >> > in
> > > > >> > > XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA:
> > > > >> > > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu
improvements
> when
> > > > >> > Workspaces
> > > > >> > > activated".
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's
proposal for  M2
 > > > (which
> > > > was
> > > > >> > > scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent
a pull
> > > request. I
> > > > >> have
> > > > >> > > also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work.
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > == Proposal A ==
> > > > >> > > There is some screenshots (Proposal A):
> > > > >> > > Logged as admin:
> > > > >> > >
> > > >
> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
> > > > >> > > Not logged as admin:
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
> 
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admi…
 > > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > You can get it from this commit:
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
> 
https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e50249…
 > > > > >> > > (except
that I have changed the wiki icon for this  screenshot)
 > > > > >> > >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > > >> So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full
proposal
> > > > >> 
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
 > > > > >>
> > > > >> In your screenshot is:
> > > > >> * Home
> > > > >> ** Administer Main Wiki
> > > > >> ** Wiki Directory
> > > > >>
> > > > >> What it was proposed:
> > > > >> * Home
> > > > >> ** Administration
> > > > >> ** Wikis Index
> > > > >> ** ....
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
> 
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM…
 > > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
> 
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM…
 > > > > >>
> > > > >> "Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as:
> > > > >> - "Administration"
> > > > >> or
> > > > >> - "Administer Home" / "Administrate
Home"
> > > > >> depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > > We though this menu was confusing and not
consistent with  the
 > > > > current
> > > > >> > menus:
> > > > >> > > - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki*
administration  when
 > > we
> > > > are
> > > > >> in
> > > > >> > a
> > > > >> > > (sub)wiki? Does it make sense?
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > > >> As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to
> administrate
> > > both
> > > > >> the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home
> (mainwiki).
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > > - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the
left of
> the
> > > > current
> > > > >> > > wiki, space and page? The fact that there is
actually a  "main"
 > > and
> > > > >> > several
> > > > >> > > "sub" wikis is only due to the
implementation. We could
> imagine,
> > > in
> > > > the
> > > > >> > > future, a new implementation where there is no
distinction
> > between
> > > > >> "main"
> > > > >> > > and "sub", but where we have an
independent "system" that
> allows
> > > the
> > > > >> > users
> > > > >> > > to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems
better to
> call
> > > the
> > > > >> menu
> > > > >> > > "System" or "XWiki".
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > > >> The "main" and "sub" is transformed in
"home" and "wiki". The  menu
 > > > > displays
> > > > >> the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is
also  consistent
 > > with
> > > > the
> > > > >> way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.)
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > - When we don't have the admin right on the main
wiki, we  only
 > > have
> > > a
> > > > >> > > single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and
page  has
 >> > more
 >> > > > >> > content.
 >> > > > >> > > It does not look good.
 >> > > > >> >
 >> > > > >>
 >> > > > >> In the proposal there is
 > > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
> 
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM…
 > > > > >> Although this is not
currently implemented, the idea is that we
> > could
> > > > also
> > > > >> list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the
"User Directory"
> > > > (especially
> > > > >> since workspaces have only global users and the directory is
> located
> > > in
> > > > the
> > > > >> main wiki). In the proposal I've used " ***
Index" in order to
> have
> > a
> > > > >> consistency between the index/directory applications naming.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in
the
> > > submenu,
> > > > we
> > > > >> could have more entries (if they are related to the Home
> > (mainwiki)).
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > > - If you are in the main wiki, you have
"Administer main  wiki"
 >> > > > twice:
 >> > > > >> > once
 >> > > > >> > > in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu.
 >> > > > >> > > - The left menu has too many items.
 >> > > > >> >
 >> > > > >>
 >> > > > >> If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from
 >> > > > >> * Menu in the (sub)wiki
 > > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
> 
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM…
 >> > > > >> in
 >> > > > >> * Menu in the Home (mainwiki)
 > > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
> 
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM…
 > > > > >>
> > > > >> The left menu contains items related to 'spatial
organization  of
 > > > > content'
> > > > >> inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages)
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > == Proposal B ==
> > > > >> > > Vincent thought it was not good enough to be
integrated in
> > 5.2M2,
> > > > so we
> > > > >> > > started to iterate until having this proposal:
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
> 
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(pro…
 > > > > >> > > B).
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > Why putting this menu to the right side? It's
because, on  the
 > > left
> > > > >> side,
> > > > >> > we
> > > > >> > > have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that
you can
> > actually
> > > > >> > achieve
> > > > >> > > on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like
"Administer",
> > "Delete"
> > > > or
> > > > >> > > "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide
actions like  that,
 > it
> > > just
> > > > >> > > provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the
wikis. It's
> > more a
> > > > >> > "System"
> > > > >> > > menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register
action. That's
> why
> > we
> > > > put
> > > > >> it
> > > > >> > > there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller,
which is  less
 > > > > >> confusing.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I don't like this proposal because is breaking the
content
> > > organization
> > > > >> hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page.
> > > > >> You can consider our current menu to be composed of
"Content ||
> > User".
> > > > The
> > > > >> "Content" part allows you to create new content and
to see your
> > > > location in
> > > > >> the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User
 related
 > > > > actions.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want
to
> > customize
> > > > >> their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki,
making  it
 > > > their
> > > > >> own.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > == Proposal C ==
> > > > >> > > We had also this idea:
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
> 
 http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposal…
 > > > > >> > > But we
didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the
> > "Main
> > > > Wiki"
> > > > >> > > link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile
actions
> like
> > > > >> > > "Administer", "Index" or
"Delete" are.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Crowded and serves as a double function.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > ---
> > > > >> > > After having created the proposal B, I asked
Vincent: "What
> > > should I
> > > > >> do?
> > > > >> > Do
> > > > >> > > I commit it, without asking to the
community?". He said  yes,
 > > > > because he
> > > > >> > > wanted to have something to show to the community
that can
> still
> > > be
> > > > >> > changed
> > > > >> > > for the RC1, and he applied the pull request.
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have:
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal):
> > > > >> > > Current implementation:
> > > > >> > >
> > > >
> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
> > > > >> > > Mockup with the new skin:
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
> 
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/Men…
 > > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > B - "XWiki" right menu:
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >>
> > >
> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu:
> > > > >> > >
> > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > I propose to start a thread where you can all give
your
> opinion,
> > > > >> > regarding
> > > > >> > > one of these proposals, and you can also bring new
ideas.  We
 > > must
> > > > have
> > > > >> a
> > > > >> > > consensus for the RC1!
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > 0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy).
> > > > >> > > +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO).
> > > > >> > > -1 for proposal C.
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > > >> So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed:
> > > > >> 
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
    > > >>
 > > >> (Wiki / (sub)wiki)
 > > >> * Home
 > > >> ** Administration
 > > >> ** ---
 > > >> ** Wikis Index/Directory
 > > >> ** Documents Index
 > > >>
 > > >> (Home/mainwiki)
 > > >> * Home
 > > >> ** Watch Home
 > > >> ** Administer Home
 > > >> ** ---
 > > >> ** Wikis Index
 > > >> ** Documents Index
 > > >>
 > > >> Thanks,
 > > >> Caty
 > > >>
 > > >>
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Re: [xwiki-devs] [Proposals] Menu improvements when Workspaces activated