2 Oct
2014
2 Oct
'14
1:59 a.m.
On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 7:43 PM, Eduard Moraru <enygma2002(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 8:14 PM, Denis Gervalle
<dgl(a)softec.lu> wrote:
in
when
> we
> > > proposed Flamingo, a prototype was also available, so all these
> > 'concerns'
> > > should have been noticed earlier, not in 6.2.1. These kind of
> discussions
> > > should happen in the Proposal phase, not in the Testing phase.
> > >
> >
> > I completely agree with you on that point. And this is true for UI, as
the
a
Ok, let keep the button in place in this thread, and move it in the other
one. How funny you are :)
On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 5:40 PM, Ecaterina Moraru
(Valica) <
valicac(a)gmail.com
enygma2002(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 6:12 PM, Denis Gervalle <dgl(a)softec.lu> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 2:11 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
> > valicac(a)gmail.com
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 2:33 PM, Eduard Moraru < > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > I kind of like this proposal. As Jeremie pointed out, we`re more
or
> > less
> > > > back where we started from, with the "improvement" that the
"Add"
> > button
> > > is
> > > > now in the middle of the page, hard to miss :)
> > > >
> > > > Now, if we also rename "Add" to "Create", the
only downside is
that
> >
awkward
> > > feeling of more or less cloning Atlassian's UI. However, it's
never a
> > > > question of UI ownership or copying, but just of what works best
> > practice and what makes sense.
> >
>
> Hi,
>
> Denis asked some days ago why some things changed from the original
> Flamingo proposal "which we all agreed on". Apparently this is the
reason
> > some of the things changed: listening to different opinions.
> >
> > One of the reasons I'm a bit upset with these discussions is that well
> as anything else on this project. We always need it realized to
received
> criticisms. This probably a consequence of
the fact that we are all
very
> > busy. That said, I do not remember seing a proposal that look like > > current result. And your initial
proposal does not exhibit the issue
we
> are
> > actually discussing, which have been mainly started because of the
add
wiki
Cathy, you have not read me carefully, where do you see an option to add option.
It was always in the initial proposal
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Skin4x
and more explicitly in the Menus section
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Skin4xMenus wiki in those proposals ?
The current thread/discussion is about the new location of the "Add" menu,
not about the "Add Wiki" option (please use the other thread for that). It
was not started because of the "Add Wiki" option disagreement (that was
just an example/excuse), but because this particular choice of location was
never discussed/argued to begin with, even if the proposal received a
positive feedback as a whole.
IMO, that just proves that we did not analyse the proposal well enough, and
maybe that some of us just preferred to assume stuff instead of
asking/discussing.
I think, that I have clearly agree on that. Moreover, the proposal was fine
for me (without the Add Wiki option), and this is you that initiate a
discussion, after the fact, about the position of that button, isn't it ?
I think we should focus more on making it right instead of finding blame...
Have I blame anyone in particular, I just blame all of us for not taking
enough care to proposals, and I also found us some excuse. What is wrong
with that ?
Thanks,
Eduard
users
without
> > tasting it for real. I think we should not care too much, and we should
this
testing
change
because
http://tof.canardpc.com/view/19c9c68f-9dae-440e-ad82-3b8a6cc4623a.jpg
button
to
I
users,
of
https://www.evernote.com/shard/s119/sh/948c4f24-2485-4b33-8452-1e6e1a2d6c74…
https://www.evernote.com/shard/s119/sh/b8803c9b-4ea7-43dd-a2ed-1226080074f2…
Dumitru
> > > > Florea
> > > > > <
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >
mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > On
Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Guillaume
that
for a
> > lot
> > > > of
> > > > > >> >> > > livetables.
> > > > > >> >> > > > We
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > would
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >
need a generic "Create" button to be
> > available
> > > > > when we
> > > > > >> >> > > > > instantiate
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > a
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >
livetable. This could be useful for the
> wiki
> > > > index
> > > > > >> >> page, for
> > > > > >> >> > > > the
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > user
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >
directory, for all the AWM homepages...
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > I
guess you like the files live table from
http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/File+Manager+Applicati…
the
that
having
either
page.
this,
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>
>
>
> >
> > > Also all the changes proposed in Flamingo, where discussed before.
We
> used
> > 'Add' naming because 'Create' was less used 'in the
wild', was
shorter,
> > > etc. We moved the Add (from the Colibri position) because some > find
> > > it difficult to locate, wanted to improve the actions grouping,
etc.
>
I agree, what I am proposing actually only came from the current
discussion
> and the evolution of it. It is not always easy to imagine good UI > look
forward to finally getting the best UI ever, even if the process
is
> > not academic.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > ----
> > >
> > > I liked the Colibri's 'Add' position and I just want us to
make > > change
> > > because we think that is the best place for it, not because we are
> > > influenced and think another product might have the magic solution
to
> our
> > > problems.
> > >
> > > If you consider that after a 'period of testing' that location is
not
the
> > best place for the 'Add' button to be, than I agree we can
'revert'
the
> > > change. IMO the menus are still not optimal, but I guess only >
could
> > give us an impartial answer. I would have liked a bit more time to
test
> > > this solution with 'normal' users, and I hope we don't do this
> > > because regular/advanced users had
a hard time to adapt to it. I
will
> >
repeat myself, I think skins are allowed to have differences (but
maybe
> > > testing different solutions would be more acceptable if we had more
> skins
> > > or changed them more often).
> > >
> >
> > I do not think we are complaining because we are advance, only it
great
but
> > that's life :)
> >
> >
> :)
>
> Thanks,
> Caty
>
>
> >
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Caty
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Regarding the addition of yet another "Add" button for
page-related
mixup
"out of context" and "in context" actions. Which is for the end
user,
> surely a source of confusion.
>
> Cathy, do not feel too upset of all these changes, you have made a job
preparing this new skin, it just need polishing as any of what we
do. I
> know it is frustrating that preview are not look at carefully enough, > >
> entries, as suggested by Denis, I`m not sure it's such a good
idea. I
> > never
> > > did like modals that much in web interfaces and, AFAIK, they are
not
> > > recommended that much in HCI
(Human-Computer Interaction) classes
> either,
> > > for the simple reason that they are too volatile and are not
friendly
> > with
> > > the browser's "Back" button. I think we already have enough
shortcuts
in
> > the 'More Actions' section and the 'Edit' dropdown.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Eduard
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 1:20 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea <
> > mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Denis Gervalle <dgl(a)softec.lu>
wrote:
> > > > On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie"
Delhumeau
> <
> > > > > gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Even better:
> > > > >>
> > 
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes that one looks very cool to me but... :)
> > > > >
> > > > > I wonder if the name would not be better to be
"Create".
> > > > >
> > > > > Since, I think we still need an another button in the page
called
> > > "Add"
> > > > > to
> > > > > > add to the page:
> > > > > > * annotations using modal (you may select, than use the
> >
> normally)
> > > > > * comment using a modal (without having to scroll to the
bottom)
> > > > > * attachement using a
modal (without having to scroll to the
> > bottom),
> > > > > * objects using a modal (without necessarily needing to load
all
> > > > existing
> > > > > objects for edit, so a page could show objects without having
to
> > manage
> > > > > addition of new ones, AWSeconds)
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > This way, the extradoc tabs could be hidden, independently of
the
> > > > > > comment/attachment functionality, and the pain of scrolling
the
> > > bottom
> > > > > is removed.
> > > >
> > > > Adding a comment or uploading a file using a modal box is fine.
> > > > Viewing the comments/attachments in a modal box is not a good
idea
> > > > > IMO. The user expects to see the comments/attachments after the
> > > > > content. I don't think we can hide the extradoc tabs. Or
maybe > > > > > misunderstood.
> > > > >
> > > > > > It give also some logic to those button, with a
non-contextual
> > > > > > create button, and
a contextual add button. We could then
allow
> > > > > application
> > > > > > to hook both of them depending on their needs.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Another, a bit off-topic, remarks, is that in the More
actions,
> > > > > annotation
> > > > > > should be isolated, and work like a toggle to display/hide
them
> > > > > (including
> > > > > > the author filter box and the tooltips), without needing to
> click a
> > > > > > seperate checkbox.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > WDYT ?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> 2014-10-01 10:59 GMT+02:00 Guillaume
"Louis-Marie"
Delhumeau <
> > > > > >>
gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com>gt;:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > So basically, you want:
> > > > > >> >
> > > >
> http://tof.canardpc.com/view/25ad0704-563e-41cd-bbf2-72c371912245.jpg
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > 2014-10-01 10:46 GMT+02:00 vincent(a)massol.net <
> > vincent(a)massol.net
> > > >:
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >> On 1 Oct 2014 at 10:09:00, Guillaume Lerouge (
> > > guillaume(a)xwiki.com
> > > > > >> (mailto:
> > > > > >> >> guillaume(a)xwiki.com)) wrote:
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >> > Hi,
> > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > >> >> > after discussing with Vincent this
morning we came to a
> > > > suggestion
> > > > > >> that
> > > > > >> >> > would fix my issue with the current
location of the add
> > button.
> > > > The
> > > > > >> idea
> > > > > >> >> > would be to move the search bar to the
left of the
menu,
and
> > put
> > > > the
> > > > >> >> "Add"
> > > > >> >> > button in its place.
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> > Crude image explanation here:
> > > > >> >> >
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/hrxlj6n6pztigic/AddButton-Search.png
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> > This way the "Add" button is back in
a global menu, not
in
> a
> > > menu
> > > > > that
> > > > > >> >> is
> > > > > >> >> > contextual to the page, yet it stays very
visible. In
> > addition
> > > to
> > > > > >> this,
> > > > > >> >> > since "Create wiki" is visible
only to authorized 
it's
> > not
> > > > too
> > > > >> >> much
> > > > >> >> > in the way. Last item: this solves the issue
of having
the
> > > "Edit"
> > > > > and
> > > > > >> >> "More
> > > > > >> >> > actions" buttons separated from one
another.
> > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > >> >> > WDYT?
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >> Sounds the best to me! :) I never really liked
the move the
> > Create
> > > >> >> button in the page contextual menu (doesn’t make sense
to
me).
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> FYI here’s what they have for:
> > > >> >> - confluence:
> > > >> >>
> > > >>
> > >
> >
>
> > > >> >> - jira:
> > > >> >>
> > > >>
> > >
> >
>
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >> Thanks
> > > > > >> >> -Vincent
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >> > Guillaume
> > > > > >> >> > ᐧ
> > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > >> >> > On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 9:12 AM, Eduard
Moraru wrote:
> > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > >> >> > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:37 PM,
Guillaume Lerouge
> > > > > >> >> > > wrote:
> > > > > >> >> > >
> > > > > >> >> > > > Hi,
> > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > >> >> > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:28
PM, Ecaterina Moraru
> > (Valica)
> > > <
> > > > > >> >> > > > valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > >> >> > > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at
4:24 PM, Guillaume
Lerouge
<
> > > > > >> >> > > > >
me(a)guillaumelerouge.com>
> > > > > >> >> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014
at 3:08 PM, Ecaterina
Moraru
> > (Valica)
> > > <
> > > >> >> > > > > > valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > >> >> > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at
3:48 PM, Guillaume
Lerouge
> <
> > > > >> >> > > > > guillaume(a)xwiki.com>
> > > > >> >> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > >> >> > > > > > >
> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > Hi Marius,
> > > > >> >> > > > > > > >
> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 26,
2014 at 3:54 PM, Marius > >
Lerouge
> > > <
> > > > >> >> > > > > > >
guillaume(a)xwiki.com>
> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > Hi
again,
> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > On
Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:39 PM,
Guillaume
> > > > >> >>
"Louis-Marie"
> > > > >> >> > > > > > Delhumeau <
> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >
gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> Hi
Eddy,
> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >>
2014-09-25 11:59 GMT+02:00 Eduard
Moraru <
> > > > > >> >> > > > enygma2002(a)gmail.com
> > > > > >> >> > > > > >:
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >
>>
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >
>> > Hi devs,
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >
>> >
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >
>> > I`m not sure if we already have a
> > discussion
> > > > > >> started
> > > > > >> >> on
> > > > > >> >> > > this
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > topic,
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > but
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >
>> in
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >
>> > my opinion, it's long overdue. I see
> > people
> > > > > start
> > > > > >> >> being
> > > > > >> >> > > > > confused
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > and
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >
>> > questions like this [1] start to be
> asked.
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >
>> >
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >
>> > The new location of the Add menu in
> > Flamingo
> > > > is
> > > > > >> >> > > problematic
> > > > > >> >> > > > > IMO
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > for
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > a
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >
>> > various number of reasons:
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >
>> > - It falsely gives the impression it
> > adds
> > > > >> >> > > page-related
> > > > >> >> > > > > > > entries
> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > (i.e.
> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >>
> related to the current page), due to
its
> >
current
> > > >> >> location
> > > >> >> > > > > (i.e.
> > > >> >> > > > > > in
> > > >> >> > > > > > > > the
> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> page
> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >
content)
> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > -
It conflicts with AWM`s "Add new
Entry"
> > > button
> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >
> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > More
generally speaking, this is true the
> File
> > > >> >> Manager
> > > >> >> > > then
> > > >> >> > > > :)
> > > >> >> > > > > > > > >
> > > >> >> > > > > > > > >
> > > >> >> > > > > > > >
> > > >> >> > > > > > >
> > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > >> >> > > > >
> > > >> >> > > >
> > > >> >> > >
> > > >> >>
> > > >>
> > >
> >
>
> >
> > >> >> > > > > > > > > . Would be interesting
to have such a
toolbar
> > > (with
> > > > > >> >> support for
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > custom
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >
buttons) before the live table don't you
> think?
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > IMO the
toolbar's functionality is already
> covered
> > by
> > > > the
> > > > > >> >> > > 'Actions'
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > column
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > in the
livetable. The only thing missing is > > > > 'Create'
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > >
> > > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > I'm not sure this
is the same use case. I can
see
> at
> > > > least
> > > > > 3
> > > > > >> >> reasons
> > > > > >> >> > > > why:
> > > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > > >> >> > > > > IMO it's exactly the
same use case, the only
> difference
> > > is
> > > > > that
> > > > > >> >> the
> > > > > >> >> > > > Actions
> > > > > >> >> > > > > column was used as an
intermediate solution
because
> we
> > > > didn't
> > > > > >> had
> > > > > >> >> bulk
> > > > > >> >> > > > > actions in livetable (the
ability to make
multiple
> > entity
> > > > > >> >> selection
> > > > > >> >> > > > > (checkbox) - that's
why we duplicate the entries
on
> > each
> > > > > row).
> > > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > >> >> > > > Great, this means that we agree
on the fact that
the
> >
> "Actions"
> > > > >> >> column
> > > > >> >> > > > should be replaced by a
"Select" column with
checkboxes
> > in
> > > > it,
> > > > > and
> > > > > >> >> also
> > > > > >> >> > > > that Marius' horizontal
livetable toolbar should be
> > > expanded
> > > > > to be
> > > > > >> >> used
> > > > > >> >> > > in
> > > > > >> >> > > > a generic fashion by all
livetables :-)
> > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > >> >> > >
> > > > > >> >> > > Not completely replaced because not
all
> operations/actions
> > > can
> > > > be
> > > > > >> >> performed
> > > > > >> >> > > in bulk fashion. Take the
'edit' action and notice it
the
> > > > actions
> > > > > >> >> column
> > > > > >> >> > > have their right place in the
livetable IMO and > is a
> > > >> single
> > > >> >> > > element action compared to 'delete'.
> > > >> >> > >
> > > >> >> > > A different situation exists for the
'rename' action
since
> it
> > > is
> > > > >> more
> > > > >> >> of a
> > > > >> >> > > single element action, but can be
presented as a bulk
> action
> > as
> > > > well
> > > > >> >> if you
> > > > >> >> > > provide some kind of renaming template
like '_'.
> > > > >> >> > >
> > > > >> >> > > In other words, both the bulk operations
toolbar and a
bulk
extensions
http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Unique+Identification+…
> > > checkbox
> > > > >> >> column
> > > > >> >> > > like Marius did for the FM livetable
looks like the
right
> way
> > > to
> > > > go.
> > > > >> >> > >
> > > > >> >> > > Thanks,
> > > > >> >> > > Eduard
> > > > >> >> > >
> > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > >> >> > > > Guillaume
> > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > >> >> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >> >> > > > > Caty
> > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > >> >> > > > > > 1/ The "create"
button would generate a new
entry,
> >
whereas
> > > the
> > > >> >> > > > "actions"
> > > >> >> > > > > > column is for actions that are
related to
individual
> > > > entries
> > > > >> >> that
> > > > >> >> > > > already
> > > > >> >> > > > > > exist
> > > > >> >> > > > > > 2/ The "actions"
column can be removed by the
> livetable
> > > > >> creator
> > > > >> >> > > > > > 3/ The toolbar would also
be useful to handle > > > actions
> > > > on
> > > > >> >> pages
> > > > >> >> > > > such
> > > > >> >> > > > > as
> > > > >> >> > > > > > "delete selected
entries" (as in the file
manager)
> > > > >> >> > >
> > >
> > > > >> >> > > > > > Best,
> > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > >> >> > > > > > Guillaume
> > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > >> >> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >> >> > > > > > > Caty
> > > > >> >> > > > > > >
> > > > >> >> > > > > > >
> > > > >> >> > > > > > >
> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > Yes and yes :-)
> > > > >> >> > > > > > > >
> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > Guillaume
> > > > >> >> > > > > > > >
> > > > >> >> > > > > > > >
> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >
Basically the button would let the user
> create
> > a
> > > > new
> > > > >> >> item of
> > > > >> >> > > > the
> > > > >> >> > > > > > same
> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > type
> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > than
the items displayed in the
livetable.
>
Right
> > > now
> > > >> we
> > > >> >> do
> > > >> >> > > this
> > > >> >> > > > > in
> > > >> >> > > > > > an
> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > ad-hoc
fashion, so it would be great to
have
a
> > > generic
> > > >> >> > > > solution.
> > > >> >> > > > > > It's
> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > also
> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > related to
the automatic page name
generation
> > > > module
> > > > >> >> (that we
> > > > >> >> > > > > don't
> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > have
> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > in
> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > the
core yet, though there's an >
doing
> > it
> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > <
> > > >> >> > > > > > > > >
> > > >> >> > > > > > > >
> > > >> >> > > > > > >
> > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > >> >> > > > >
> > > >> >> > > >
> > > >> >> > >
> > > >> >>
> > > >>
> > >
> >
>
> >
> > >> >> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > ).
> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >
Guillaume
> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >>
> - from my POV, looking at the page
from
> a
> > > far,
> > > > > the
> > > > > >> >> new
> > > > > >> >> > > > > location
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > looks
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >
>> > completely randomly selected:
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >
>> > -- It's not on the left/top (as
> > > left-to-right
> > > > > >> >> language
> > > > > >> >> > > > > specific
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > brains
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >
>> are
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >
>> > trained to follow)
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >
>> > -- it's not exactly at the top > >
> > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > --
it's not at the right
> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >>
> -- it's not next to the type of
elements
> it
> > > > creates
> > > > >> >> (i.e.
> > > > >> >> > > > next
> > > > >> >> > > > > > to
> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >>
> WIKI/SPACE/PAGE)
> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >>
> -- it basically is almost in the
middle
> of
> > > the
> > > > > >> screen
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >
>> > - etc. (i.e. others that don`t come
> right
> > > now
> > > > > to my
> > > > > >> >> mind)
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >
>> >
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >
>>
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >
>> Personally, I like the fact that it is
> > located
> > > > > near
> > > > > >> >> the Edit
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > button,
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > even
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >
>> if it does not concern the current > >
Because
> > > > it
> > > > >> >> groups
> > > > >> >> > > the
> > > > >> >> > > > > > most
> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > basic
> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >>
and useful actions that you need when
you
> > want
> > > > to
> > > > > >> >> > > contribute:
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > EDIT,
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > ADD.
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >
>>
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >
>> To me, it makes sense.
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >
>>
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >
>>
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >
>> >
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >
>> > I`d like to open a discussion on > > since
> > > > > it's
> > > > > >> >> quite an
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > important
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >
>> aspect
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >
>> > of the UI and, due to it's shiny
green
>
color
> > > > (which
> > > > >> >> I like
> > > > >> >> > > > > :)),
> > > > >> >> > > > > > > it`s
> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > hard
> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >>
> to miss.
> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >>
>
> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >>
> Is it just me who's resistant to
change,
or
> do
> > > >> >> others see
> > > >> >> > > a
> > > >> >> > > > > > > problem
> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > here
> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >
with this as well?
> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >
Thanks,
> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >
Eduard
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> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > --
> > > >> > Guillaume Delhumeau (gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com)
> > > >> > Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS
> > > >> > Committer on the XWiki.org project
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> Guillaume Delhumeau (gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com)
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