Re: [xwiki-devs] How to call a workspace? (Was: [VOTE] Integrate Workspaces by default in XWiki's default XAR)

Just my point of view on this point, since I keep seeing similar topics popping up once in a while... For me, the "wiki" is the entire environment (main wiki + all its subwikis), as a whole, by definition. Since they are all connected, it is wrong to say that we are creating new wikis (subwikis) when, in fact, we are just creating new "spaces"/"workspaces" (spaces where the user does/groups/catalogues his work). Also, this view is enforced by our new direction towards virtual by default and of making subwikis part of XWiki's data model (including the new model). Since we are currently lacking the hierarchy feature of the the new model, and we are faking it technically (and maybe this is where the confusion comes from) by using new wikis(subwikis) in new databases, the term "workspace" would, IMO, remain the best candidate. If we consider the fact that we want to make workspaces the default (as proven in practice), we find that the "corner" cases are actually the term "wiki" (actually "subwiki"), which occur only in farm deployments where, indeed, a subwiki is a fully fledged and generally isolated "wiki" from the point of view of the owner and its users. Also, in an enterprise environment, try explaining each time to the Accounting, Marketing, etc. departments that: - a "wiki" is "a set of pages that can be edited/modified by users with links between pages, using some syntax, etc."... - a "workspace" is "a/the space where you (do *your*) work/collaborate" +1 for "workspace" as first-class term being promoted to users +1 for "wiki" as technical term being mentioned in documentation to admins (specifically for farm deployments) Also, being an enterprise wiki, I`m not sure we want to be labelled as the company's "wiki" instead of the company's "collaboration tool" (or "tool used to get our work done"). Thanks, Eduard P.S.: As a technical/background note, just not to be misunderstood, indeed, a workspace is implemented as just a wiki right now with additional restrictions to satisfy its usecase. However, this is only due to our platform's limitations. Normally, a workspace should just be a space where a user can install apps, create other sub-spaces, and collaborate with others. The initial proposal (for the "Wiki 3.0" XWiki SAS research project) was to actually use spaces to implement workspaces, but since we could not install apps (among other things), we chose to use subwikis instead. On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 5:29 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote: