29 Jun
2012
29 Jun
'12
5:14 p.m.
Hi,
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea <
mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
>>
>> On Jun 29, 2012, at 3:00 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I have received numerous complains that simple users have problems in
>>> editing the content and title of the Welcome block ("Welcome to you
wiki"
>
>>> Right now we have specialized gadgets for HTML content, velocity
content,
would take
too long and the feature/issue is needed quickly
At first it could be a simple text field, without WYSIWYG. It would already
be much better than the current implementation.
Guillaume
Thanks,
On Jun 29, 2012, at 3:32 PM, Guillaume Lerouge wrote:
> Hi Caty,
>
> On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
>>> gadget) from the homepage.
>>> There are multiple factors that influence the editing of that
particular
>>> gadget and that make the job
especially harder for beginners.
>>>
>>> One of these factors is that the gadget used to display the Welcome
>> content
>>> is an "include" gadget. Without some custom actions for the gadget
that
>>> would let the user navigate to the
included page or without some
>>> auto-redirect mechanism, the simple users have difficulties in
>>> understanding where the welcome content is coming from and what
actions
>>> they need to do in order to edit that
content.
>>> Also the "include" macro has a lot of advanced properties that can
be
>> scary
>>> and confusing for users (context, reference, section, type, etc.).
>>>
>>> My proposal is to create a new "text" gadget. This gadget will be
>> very-very
>>> simple and will contain just the gadget's title and the gadget's
content.
>>> Its only purpose will be to let users
add textual information inside a
>>> dashboard.
>>>
>>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/EditingWelcomeMess…
>>
>
> I was thinking about the exact same idea after doing a demo yesterday
:-)
>>> code in general, boxes, success
messages, etc. but no way to put just
a
>>> simple text inside the dashboard.
>>
>> Indeed when editing the dashboard we should be able to not use a gadget
>> and instead type directly the content in wysiwyg mode.
>>
>> I don't think we should have a "text" macro though.
>>
>
> It's the fastest way to solve the issue at hand, with the lowest
overhead.
> Caty, you could even offer it right away as
an extension on
> extensions.xwiki.org , you simply need to create a wiki macro. We could
> call it "gadget text" if that makes you feel better.
>
> One idea is that the Add gadget button should open a custom Gadget
dialog
>> box that allows to specify the title and
for the content it should
display
>> the WYSIWYG editor, thus allowing to
insert macros like for any
content.
>>
>
> This means changing the existing dashboard architecture which is going
to
take
ages, with nobody assigned to it right now. Caty's solution is both
faster and simpler.
I'm +1!
IMO the strategy should always be the same (whatever the topic):
1) Agree about where we want to go
2) Decide how to get there
3) Possibly decide about creating temporary technical debt because 1)
What's wrong is to jump to 3) without thinking about 1) because:
* you may be making incompatible choices
* it's very very difficult to remove something
* 1) might not be that hard
Also having that macro on e.x.o is not going to help at all. No users is
going to
look for it and install it before editing his/her dashboard.
IMO what's not nice is how we hijacked the Macro editor. It makes it
unnecessarily complex for the user.
If instead we present the user with the standard WYSIWYG editor and the
same
ability as he already knows about to add content it'll be much more
effective.
It shouldn't be complex since we already have
all the pieces. Since I've
not been close to this code I'm curious to get
feedback from Anca and
Marius about the idea and the time it would take to achieve it.
Most of the time the user wants to add a gadget to the dashboard, not
to create one. And 'add' implies selecting a gadget from a list. I'm
not sure that displaying a WYSIWYG editor (rich text area) when
clicking the "Add Gadget" will make things more clear. The user will
probably ask herself "What now?". Is she going to know that a 'gadget'
is a macro? Keeping the list of gadgets and having a special one whose
content is editable with the WYSIWYG editor seems to me as the best
solution. Now, displaying the WYSIWYG editor for the content of this
special gadget might require some hacks.
Marius
Thanks
-Vincent
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