5 Jan
2016
5 Jan
'16
10:25 a.m.
Hi Marius,
On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 6:14 AM, Marius Dumitru Florea <
mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Eduard Moraru
<enygma2002(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Technically you're correct, but I'm not sure I see the benefit of this. The
point of having links in wiki syntax is that when we're doing things such
as a rename, backlinks can be updated to the new location of the page. If
we were to use the "path" syntax, the renaming of backlinks on page rename
would stop working, which kinda defeats the purpose of using wiki syntax
instead of pure HTML...
Thanks,
Guillaume
Thanks,
Hi,
A big problem with G (pasting URLs) is when the wiki is set up with URL
rewriting.
AFAIK, URL rewriting is used heavily on many XWiki installations, either:
- to remove the /bin/view/ part (which would be manageable, if we add
some
configuration parameter to know about it) or
- to have prettier URLs for a select group of documents (which
complicates
things a lot when trying to reverse the process
if XWiki does not know
about the specific mappings)
Finally, we need to also consider that an URL can
lead to any mode in
XWiki
(not just view), while XWiki's current link
syntax only generates links
to
"view" mode (and "download"
mode in some cases) AFAIK, so these URLs
would
not be able to be converted to wiki syntax,
unless we extend the syntax.
We can use "path:" or "url:" references for modes other than
"view":
[[Edit Page>>path:/xwiki/bin/edit/Space/Page]]
Marius
like,
the
guillaume(a)xwiki.com>
the
http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/AutoCompletion+Applica…
shortcut
used
> > for
> > > > > links but also for macros or anywhere where you might need a
> document
> > > > > reference. This can be implemented as an XWiki extension.”
> > > > >
> > > > > G) Add the ability to paste a full URL in the reference part of
> wiki
> > > links
> > > > > and upon save the Rendering will automatically transform it
into
means
those 2
> > we
> > > > > would get:
> > > > > * easy pasting of existing URLs
> > > > > * easily finding the page you want to link to when you don’t
have
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Thanks,
Eduard
On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 10:05 AM, Denis Gervalle <dgl(a)softec.lu> wrote:
> G is to me the priority in what you mentioned. When looking at how
users
of
> the wiki syntax create links, I have seen that a lot of them does not
> understand, care, or bother to use doc references, probably because
they
are not
concerned by the impact using a full URL has. So G is also for
me a
good way to show them the right practice and to
also fix old usage that
was
> bad.
>
> For the wiki editor, I am not sure a feature like E is what I would but it
does not hurt. F would be very helpful and probably my second
priority here, especially if we care about making the operation doable
only
> using the keyboard (vi like).
>
> C is of course helpful, and a must have if we decide to make the
> autocompletion extension bundled.
>
> And as Guillaume, I also had in mind the magical way, which intercept URL and
transform it to a link. We should however be careful with too
much
magic, being smart like this will require also
taking care of the
context,
to still allow pasting URL when needed (inside a
code macro, inside a
url:
> link, etc…)
>
> Thanks,
>
> On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Guillaume Lerouge < > wrote:
>
> > I like G too. Most of the time, when creating a wiki link to a page I
> have
> > that page open in another tab.
> >
> > If its URL could be intercepted and automagically turned into a wiki
> link,
> > that would be very nice.
> >
> > In addition to this, given B (automatically display page title for
wiki
>
links), it could reduce the total number of steps to 3:
>
> 1. Go to page you want to link to (Target Page).
> a. Copy URL
> 2. Go to page where you want to add the link (Source Page)
> a. Paste URL
> 3. Save
>
> => that would be quite cool...
>
> Thanks,
>
> Guillaume
>
> On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 3:41 PM, vincent(a)massol.net <
vincent(a)massol.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 17 Dec 2015 at 15:38:08, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) (
> valicac(a)gmail.com
> > > (mailto:valicac@gmail.com)) wrote:
> > >
> > > > Ideally I like C and E.
> > >
> > > Note that E doesn’t solve all use cases… while G does :)
> > >
> > > For example how many times I have to edit wiki pages on xwiki.org
> > becauses
> > > users have pasted full URLs in wiki links instead of references! > > > problem with full URLs is that 1)
they don’t work with refactoring
> > (renames
> > > for ex) and 2) they’re displayed as external links.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > -Vincent
> > >
> > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Caty
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 3:56 PM, vincent(a)massol.net
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi devs,
> > > > >
> > > > > A user has reported the following, mentioning it was taking a
lot
> of
> > > > > steps, and we’ve all experimented that creating wiki links
could
be
http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/AutoCompletion+API
> > easier:
> > > >
> > > > “
> > > > 1. Go to page you want to link to (Target Page).
> > > > a. Copy URL
> > > > 2. Go to page where you want to add the link (Source Page)
> > > > 3. Edit it using Wiki Syntax Editor
> > > > 4. Create the link
> > > > i. Write [[
> > > > ii. write label
> > > > iii. write >>
> > > > iv. paste the link pointing to Target Page
> > > > v. Remove https://w.amazon.com/bin/view from pasted link
> > > > vi. Replace manually all encoded URL strings (like + and other
> > > > symbols)
> > > > vii. Replace “/” with “.”
> > > > viii. Add WebHome
> > > > ix. write ]]
> > > > 5. Save
> > > > 6. Done.
> > > > "
> > > >
> > > > So I’d like to brainstorm about what we could do to make it
easier
to
> > > > creating wiki links.
> > > >
> > > > Some ideas:
> > > >
> > > > A) Remove step 4. ix with
http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-12920
> > > >
> > > > B) The label>> parts (steps ii and iii) can be omitted,
especially
> > when
> > > > > the link label generation is configured to use titles
> > > > >
> > > > > C) The real solution for me is autocomplete on links:
> > > > > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-206 This should probably be
> > > > > implemented in the autocomplete extension: see
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > and
> > >
>
> >
> >
> > > > D) Using CTRL+G helps since it provides the reference and helps
in
> > finding
> > > > the page to link to. It can be considered as a simplified
> > autocomplete, ie
> > > > a simplified impl for C).
> > > >
> > > > E) Marius mentioned elsewhere: "I would also like to have a
common
> > Insert
> > > > Link dialog between the CKEditor and the Wiki Editor. You click
on
> a
> > > button
> > > > > on the tool bar, you get a dialog where you can search for the
> target
> > > page
> > > > > (or select it from the tree) and then click Insert, which will
> > > generate the
> > > > > wiki syntax for your. The Insert Link dialog can have a > key
> > > for
> > > > > quick access. Of course autocomplete is nicer but it's more
work,
> > > while the
> > > > > Insert Link dialog is a must for the CKEditor anyway.”
> > > > >
> > > > > F) Marius mentioned elsewhere: "We can also implement a
dedicated
> "Insert
> > > Reference" dialog for the Wiki Editor that offers a text input
where
> > you
> > > > can paste an URL and the dialog attempts to extract the entity
> > reference
> > > > from the URL and inserts it in the Wiki Editor text area to be a
> > > document
> > > > > reference if it’s a local link. And if you want a real url for
a
>
local
> > link
> > > > then you’d need to use the “url:” prefix. Implementation: One
> > relatively
> > > > simple solution is to parse the URL (using a
> > > > ResourceTypeResolver/ResourceReferenceResolver) and then
serialize
> it
> > > and
> > > > > verify if the result matches the passed URL. If it does it
> > it’s a
> > > > > local URL.
> > > > >
> > > > > H) Caty mentioned elsewhere: "We could display the
reference
of a
page
> in:
> > > a. a Permalink dialog (containing the URL + reference) that the
user
> > can
> > > > copy paste in browser input or editor
> > > > b. Information tab
> > > > c. other?”
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > IMO the best (possibly not the easiest) are C) and G). With > its
> > > URL
> > > > >
> > > > > Now, even if we agree to do C) and G) in the future I still
think
that
> all
> > > the other ideas (ie. E, F and H) could also be implemented.
> > >
> > > WDYT?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > -Vincent
> > >
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