22 Feb
2016
22 Feb
'16
3:27 p.m.
On 19 Feb 2016 at 15:20:09, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
(valicac@gmail.com(mailto:valicac@gmail.com)) wrote:
Hi Vincent,
On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 10:19 PM, vincent(a)massol.net
wrote:
I understand what you wanted but indeed I find the new terms even more confusing :)
For me we should think in term of “Using XWiki”. To use XWiki the user has 2 choices:
A) Download and install it locally (wherever he’s installing the download from, could be a
laptop, could be a server machine, etc). This is usually referred as “on premises” by
comparison to using it as a service (cloud, saas, etc).
B) Use it as a service.
For A) the options we have are:
* Demo packagings: those are the options
from http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/InstallationStandalone. They
include a pre-installed HSQLDB Database and a Jetty container Specifically the following
installers/packagings:
** the EXE packaging,
** the ZIP packaging,
** the JAR packaging
* Production-level packagings:
** Debian packaging (all in one installation that includes MySQL and Tomcat)
** The WAR (the user needs to install both a Servlet Container and a Database and deploy
the WAR in the Servlet Container)
* Other packagings/setup that are not supported by the XWiki Core Dev Team:
** tutorials
** yaourt packaging
For B) the options we have are:
* Demo on playground.xwiki.org
* myxwiki.org for non-profit organizations and individuals. Free but no warranties in term
of uptime or support. Used as a real-world test platform by the XWiki Core Dev Team to
test the latest versions of XWiki.
* Cloud and Hosting offers from companies helping develop the XWiki open source project
(the companies listed
at http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/Support#HProfessionalSupport and defined by
the xwiki.org governance at http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/Governance):
** From XWiki SAS: XCS (http://info.xwiki.com/xcs-demo-request.html) or dedicated hosting
(http://www.xwiki.com/en/services/hosting)
** From Softec or EsPresto AG: link to their web sites
It would be nice that a user wants to use XWiki he lands on a page showing the 2 options:
install on premises and hosting/cloud solutions. Then he can drill down and if he wants to
install on premises, be able to select from the various download options.
WDYT?
Thanks
-Vincent
Hi Caty,
On 17 Feb 2016 at 17:44:56, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) (valicac(a)gmail.com
(mailto:valicac@gmail.com)) wrote:
So currently the documentation pages use terms like "Standalone
distribution" and "WAR package". For me these naming are not
user-friendly
and I might not know what the acronym stands for or what standalone means.
That's why I suggested Local and Server, since they are more simplistic but
yes maybe they are not truly correct. Maybe we can iterate more on the
naming but we need an improvement here since we want to encourage "local"
testing even for not so technical users/administrators. Fixed the links
On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 6:35 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> This proposal wants to improve the current download page layout found
at
>
http://enterprise.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/Download
>
>
> The proposal is here:
> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/
>
> bin/view/Proposal/
>
> XWikiOrgDownload2Layout
>
>
> The proposal splits the current information into multiple pages
(version,
> type). Make sure you read the
"Changes" section from the proposal.
>
> Let me know what you think.
I really like the new Download page (LTS, Stable, Dev). Much nicer and
cleaner than the current version! :)
However I’m not sure about the second download page with the Local,
Server, Debian boxes. There are several issues for me:
* The Local packagings can be used on a server
* The server packagings can be used locally
* The Debian packaging can be used both locally and on a server
* Server is
not a good differentiator since XWiki is a Server app even if
you install it locally ;)
* BTW it’s misising the other tutorials and other packagings (the yaourt
one for example)
To be honest I didn't know what you were referring to until I found
http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/Installation#HUsingyaou…
When I did the re-design I took the information from the Download page and
the "yaourt" one is missing.
In order to fix this we could modify the third column called now "Debian
Installation" into a other operating systems ways of installing ( or
another name ) and list there links towards the Debian and Arch Linux
install documentation.
* And even more important it’s also missing Cloud
solutions. I’d really
like if we could list the various cloud solutions offered by companies
participating to the xwiki development (and possibly list myxwiki.org too
but if we list it, we need to put visible disclaimer since it’s a test farm
with no warranties and for non-business/personal projects only).
IMO this should be a total different page, let's call it "Test Drive
XWiki"
or "Try XWiki" or "Evaluate XWiki" that could showcase Playground,
MyXWiki
and other Cloud solutions, but this should be part of a different proposal
than the Download page (which lists versions and install methods).
Currently I didn't tackled this proposal yet.
So maybe we shouldn’t discriminate between Local, Server, Debian but maybe
instead between “On-Premises” and “Cloud”, WDYT?
I'm not sure what "On Premises" means although I know it's an used
term,
but I don't find it very clear and not sure if it describes well the zip,
war, etc. options.
The problem is that we list the "Local, Server, Debian" install options
after you selected the version you want to download. So I find it a bit odd
for an user to be convinced that he wants to download XWiki, select his
version and then be presented with the Cloud Solutions. Cloud solutions
should be part of an evaluation step, before and independent of the
download step.
Thanks,
Caty
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
> > > Thanks,
> > > Caty