Re: [xwiki-devs] [Proposal] [XWiki.org] Download page layout

On 19 Feb 2016 at 15:20:09, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) (valicac@gmail.com(mailto:valicac@gmail.com)) wrote: I understand what you wanted but indeed I find the new terms even more confusing :) For me we should think in term of “Using XWiki”. To use XWiki the user has 2 choices: A) Download and install it locally (wherever he’s installing the download from, could be a laptop, could be a server machine, etc). This is usually referred as “on premises” by comparison to using it as a service (cloud, saas, etc). B) Use it as a service. For A) the options we have are: * Demo packagings: those are the options from http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/InstallationStandalone. They include a pre-installed HSQLDB Database and a Jetty container Specifically the following installers/packagings: ** the EXE packaging, ** the ZIP packaging, ** the JAR packaging

* Production-level packagings: ** Debian packaging (all in one installation that includes MySQL and Tomcat) ** The WAR (the user needs to install both a Servlet Container and a Database and deploy the WAR in the Servlet Container) * Other packagings/setup that are not supported by the XWiki Core Dev Team: ** tutorials ** yaourt packaging For B) the options we have are: * Demo on playground.xwiki.org(http://playground.xwiki.org) * myxwiki.org(http://myxwiki.org) for non-profit organizations and individuals. Free but no warranties in term of uptime or support. Used as a real-world test platform by the XWiki Core Dev Team to test the latest versions of XWiki. * Cloud and Hosting offers from companies helping develop the XWiki open source project (the companies listed at http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/Support#HProfessionalSupport and defined by the xwiki.org(http://xwiki.org) governance at http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/Governance): ** From XWiki SAS: XCS (http://info.xwiki.com/xcs-demo-request.html) or dedicated hosting (http://www.xwiki.com/en/services/hosting) ** From Softec or EsPresto AG: link to their web sites It would be nice that a user wants to use XWiki he lands on a page showing the 2 options: install on premises and hosting/cloud solutions. Then he can drill down and if he wants to install on premises, be able to select from the various download options. WDYT? Thanks -Vincent > > * Server is not a good differentiator since XWiki is a Server app even if > > you install it locally ;) > > * BTW it’s misising the other tutorials and other packagings (the yaourt > > one for example) > > > > To be honest I didn't know what you were referring to until I found > http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/Installation#HUsingyaou… > When I did the re-design I took the information from the Download page and > the "yaourt" one is missing. > In order to fix this we could modify the third column called now "Debian > Installation" into a other operating systems ways of installing ( or > another name ) and list there links towards the Debian and Arch Linux > install documentation. > > > > * And even more important it’s also missing Cloud solutions. I’d really > > like if we could list the various cloud solutions offered by companies > > participating to the xwiki development (and possibly list myxwiki.org too > > but if we list it, we need to put visible disclaimer since it’s a test farm > > with no warranties and for non-business/personal projects only). > > > > IMO this should be a total different page, let's call it "Test Drive XWiki" > or "Try XWiki" or "Evaluate XWiki" that could showcase Playground, MyXWiki > and other Cloud solutions, but this should be part of a different proposal > than the Download page (which lists versions and install methods). > Currently I didn't tackled this proposal yet. > > > > > > So maybe we shouldn’t discriminate between Local, Server, Debian but maybe > > instead between “On-Premises” and “Cloud”, WDYT? > > > > I'm not sure what "On Premises" means although I know it's an used term, > but I don't find it very clear and not sure if it describes well the zip, > war, etc. options. > > The problem is that we list the "Local, Server, Debian" install options > after you selected the version you want to download. So I find it a bit odd > for an user to be convinced that he wants to download XWiki, select his > version and then be presented with the Cloud Solutions. Cloud solutions > should be part of an evaluation step, before and independent of the > download step. > > Thanks, > Caty > > > > Thanks > > -Vincent > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Caty