On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 10:36 AM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
On 06 Jul 2016, at 10:31, Thomas Mortagne
<thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
IMO ideally we should have <current wiki> -> <main wiki> for each
configuration property, not all or nothing. Exactly like standard
XWikiPreference based configuration properties.
This is what we have, it’s already per-property.
As for the 1 vs 2 I really see no reason to
forbid overwriting part of
the configuration in his own wiki for use cases like
myxwiki.org for
example.
The question is: Do we really want local admins on
myxwiki.org to be able to use their
own SMTP servers? I guess with ours we could configure some anti-spamming techniques to
prevent myxwiki users from spamming people. At least we would have the mail logs in our
SMTP server when some third party decides to blacklist us.
1) The SMTP server is not the only thing you can setup there (for
example it's interesting to change the default from mail address for
you wiki). But you might still want to use your own SMTP server for
you wiki (becauseou have a SMTP server which provide some analysis of
the mails, storage, etc.).
2) I don't see the relationship with spam. The only thing really
important for spam is who is allowed to send mail, not really who is
allowed to choose the SMTP server. Allowing someone to configure his
own SMTP server actually only decrease the load on the main SMTP
server and the chance of it being used for spam in case it's
overwritten.
Thanks
-Vincent
But I don't mind too much getting rid of the
two [Backward compatibility] steps.
On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 5:56 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
> Hi devs,
>
> I’m working on
http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-13546 ("Error in the log when
sending a mail through the Mail API”). One way to fix it would to always look for the
Mail.Config page in the main wiki instead of in the current wiki.
>
> Actually the current algorithm is the following when looking up a mail configuration
property:
>
> * <ul>
> * <li>Look in Mail.MailConfig in the current wiki</li>
> * <li>[Backward compatibility] Look in (current space).XWikiPreferences in
the current wiki</li>
> * <li>[Backward compatibility] Look in XWiki.XWikiPreferences in the current
wiki</li>
> * <li>Look in the xwiki properties file</li>
> * </ul>
>
> We also need to implement
http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-12435 (“Use the Main
Wiki Mail Configuration if not overridden at the subwiki level”):
> “
> Right now when sending a mail in a subwiki, the configuration is taken from that
subwiki's Mail.MailConfig document.
> In a non-farm use case, it's a pain to have to configure SMTP settings for each
subwiki.
> It would be better to look into the main wiki's mail configuration when
there's no overridden config at the subwiki's level.
> "
>
> So I can see 2 options.
>
> Option 1: Drop support for looking for configuration in subwikis
> ========
>
> * Rationale: there are few use cases that require overriding the mail config in a
subwiki
> * Potential issue: if we stop looking for *.XWikiPreferences or for <current
wiki>:Mail.Config then we won’t migrate configurations but always use the config from
the main wiki. So backward compat is theoretically broken.
> * But it’s likely that the config in subwikis is the same as the config from the main
wiki anyway. It’s also likely that if a subwikis smtp server is configured, then the main
wiki is also configured. So it could be acceptable with a message in the Release Notes.
>
> Option 2: Continue supporting overriding in subwikis
> ========
>
> * Stop bundling Mail.Config for subwikis and modify the config algorithm to be:
>
> * <ul>
> * <li>Look in Mail.MailConfig in the current wiki</li>
> * <li>[Backward compatibility] Look in (current space).XWikiPreferences in
the current wiki</li>
> * <li>[Backward compatibility] Look in XWiki.XWikiPreferences in the current
wiki</li>
> * <li>Look in Mail.MailConfig in the main wiki</li>
> * <li>Look in the xwiki properties file</li>
> * </ul>
>
>
> I’ve discussed it quickly with Denis who prefers option 1 since he even sees the
ability to configure the smtp server at the wiki level a potential issue (bypassing the
farm admin).
>
> Personally I’m hesitating and I’d hate to remove the local override and then find
some use cases where we need it.
>
> WDYT?
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
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