30 Apr
2013
30 Apr
'13
5:29 p.m.
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Denis Gervalle <dgl(a)softec.lu> wrote:
Hi devs,
I have a very bad feeling with proposal 3, since it split the identifier,
which makes its main part to loose its meaning when taken alone. So you
cannot comunicate the whole information easily on different channels (think
about copy/pasting such reference ?). This is also really verbose, sometime
it looks odd, and I found it to be complex from a user view point.
Moreover, it could not be easily applied in other situation than links,
while ressource identification is not limited to links (think about a macro
arguments ?, see MotionComposer macro that imitate image: for an example).
I know it is hard, but I am currently -1 for this proposal.
If we look at large, what we really need and intend to achieve is to have
an extensible syntax to identify ressources in XWiki. There is obviously a
ready made standardized syntax for such purpose: URN. Proposal 1 is really
near that specification (but too verbose for URL), but I agree with Thomas
that users will complains to be forced to use doc: everywhere. This is
precisely why I made proposal 2, which will fully avoid that constrains for
user of single wikis (a lot of our user since XE was our mostly downloaded
distribution until now).
So my vote are (sorry Vincent, but your request to have a truly single vote
is far too restrictive for this matter)
+1 to really conform with a URN syntax as much as
possible (remove the
useless verbosity for URL).
Are you referring to URI? because URN and URL are complementary. An
URL is not a URN.
+1 for proposal 2, but as Thomas, I'm not fully decided.
Thanks,
Marius
Proposal 1: +0
Proposal 2: +1
Proposal 3: -1
Thanks,
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 12:30 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Typos below.
On Apr 30, 2013, at 11:02 AM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
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Following this thread http://markmail.org/thread/vw3derowozijqalr it
seems clear
that we need to introduce a better syntax for links and images
in XWiki Syntax 2.2 (in order to cope with use cases such as
http://jira.xwiki.org/jira/browse/XRENDERING-290).
The need is to be able to plug new reference type handlers without
breaking
backward compatibility in XWiki Syntax 2.2 (since right now with
XWiki Syntax 2.0 and 2.1 adding a new type reference handler would break
backward compatibility).
So here are various proposals to that effect for XWiki Syntax 2.2 (I've
only
kept the interesting proposals from the previous thread). Please vote
for the one you prefer or add new solutions if you have other better ideas.
Proposal 1
=========
Force XWiki Syntax 2.2 to *ALWAYS* use the full form when creating a
link or
image, i.e. all links would need to be written:
[[label>>type:reference]]
Examples:
* [[label>>doc:space.page]]
* [[label>>doc:wiki:space.page]]
* [[label>>path:/some/path]]
* [[label>>url:http://xwiki.org]]
* [[label>>user:evalica]]
* [[image:doc:wiki:space.page@image.png]]
* [[image:icon:someicon.png]]
CONS:
* Harder to write links to documents which is the main use case
Proposal 2
=========
Same as with XWiki Syntax 2.1 but for links or images to subwikis force
the user
to use the "doc:" notation
Examples:
* [[label>>space.page]] or [[label>>doc:space.page]]
* [[label>>doc:wiki:space.page]]
* [[label>>>path:/some/path]]
Should be [[label>>path:/some/path]]
* [[label>>http://xwiki.org]] or
[[label>>>url:http://xwiki.org]]
Should be [[label>>http://xwiki.org]] or [[label>>url:http://xwiki.org]]
* [[label>>user:evalica]]
* [[image:doc:wiki:space.page@image.png]]
* [[image:icon:someicon.png]]
PRO:
* Still easy to reference docs and images in the current wiki
* Close to current XWiki Syntax 2.1
CONS:
* Harder to write links to documents in subwikis (for workspaces users
for
example, see example of xwiki.org)
Proposal 3
=========
Always define the type as a link or image parameter, i.e. separate
subwiki
notation from type.
Examples:
* [[label>>space.page]] or [[label>>space.page||type="doc"]]
* [[label>>wiki:space.page]] or
[[label>>wiki:space.page||type="doc"]]
* [[label>>>/some/path||type="path"]]
Should be [[label>>/some/path||type="path"]]
* [[label>>http://xwiki.org]] or
[[label>>>http://xwiki.org
||type="url"]]
Should be [[label>>http://xwiki.org]] or [[label>>http://xwiki.org
||type="url"]]
Thanks
-Vincent
*
[[label>>evalica||type="user"]]
* [[image:wiki:space.page@image.png]] or
[[image:wiki:space.page@image.png||type="doc"]]
* [[image:someicon.png||type="icon"]]
PRO:
* Still easy to reference docs
* Clear separation between subwiki and types
CONS:
* Harder to write typed links
* Harder to write references in non xwiki/2.x syntax that would not
support link
parameters
Thanks
-Vincent
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