Re: [xwiki-devs] [Discussion] New location of the "Add" menu in the new Flamingo skin

Hi, ᐧ On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 10:59 AM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: That would be very cool yes :-) Maybe we could launch a vote on this? And as Edy pointed it out, the next step after this would be an improved "create" action with more info about the context (list of spaces, list of available templates...). With Flamingo, maybe we could also make that "create" step a modal box (same as for the export button) rather than an intermediate page.

Thanks, Guillaume > 2014-10-01 10:46 GMT+02:00 vincent(a)massol.net : > > > > > > > On 1 Oct 2014 at 10:09:00, Guillaume Lerouge (guillaume(a)xwiki.com > (mailto: > > guillaume(a)xwiki.com)) wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > after discussing with Vincent this morning we came to a suggestion that > > > would fix my issue with the current location of the add button. The > idea > > > would be to move the search bar to the left of the menu, and put the > > "Add" > > > button in its place. > > > > > > Crude image explanation here: > > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/hrxlj6n6pztigic/AddButton-Search.png > > > > > > This way the "Add" button is back in a global menu, not in a menu that > is > > > contextual to the page, yet it stays very visible. In addition to this, > > > since "Create wiki" is visible only to authorized users, it's not too > > much > > > in the way. Last item: this solves the issue of having the "Edit" and > > "More > > > actions" buttons separated from one another. > > > > > > WDYT? > > > > Sounds the best to me! :) I never really liked the move of the Create > > button in the page contextual menu (doesn’t make sense to me). > > > > FYI here’s what they have for: > > - confluence: > > > https://www.evernote.com/shard/s119/sh/948c4f24-2485-4b33-8452-1e6e1a2d6c74… > > - jira: > > > https://www.evernote.com/shard/s119/sh/b8803c9b-4ea7-43dd-a2ed-1226080074f2… > > > > Thanks > > -Vincent > > > > > Guillaume > > > ᐧ > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 9:12 AM, Eduard Moraru wrote: > > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:37 PM, Guillaume Lerouge > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < > > > > > valicac(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:24 PM, Guillaume Lerouge < > > > > > > me(a)guillaumelerouge.com&gt; > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < > > > > > > > valicac(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Guillaume Lerouge < > > > > > > guillaume(a)xwiki.com&gt; > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Marius, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea < > > > > > > > > > mariusdumitru.florea(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Guillaume Lerouge < > > > > > > > > guillaume(a)xwiki.com&gt; > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi again, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Guillaume > "Louis-Marie" > > > > > > > Delhumeau < > > > > > > > > > > > gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Hi Eddy, > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> 2014-09-25 11:59 GMT+02:00 Eduard Moraru < > > > > > enygma2002(a)gmail.com > > > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Hi devs, > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > I`m not sure if we already have a discussion started > > on > > > > this > > > > > > > > topic, > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > >> in > > > > > > > > > > >> > my opinion, it's long overdue. I see people start > > being > > > > > > confused > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > >> > questions like this [1] start to be asked. > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > The new location of the Add menu in Flamingo is > > > > problematic > > > > > > IMO > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > >> > various number of reasons: > > > > > > > > > > >> > - It falsely gives the impression that it adds > > > > page-related > > > > > > > > entries > > > > > > > > > > (i.e. > > > > > > > > > > >> > related to the current page), due to its current > > location > > > > > > (i.e. > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > >> page > > > > > > > > > > >> > content) > > > > > > > > > > >> > - It conflicts with AWM`s "Add new Entry" button > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More generally speaking, this is true for a lot of > > > > livetables. > > > > > We > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > need a generic "Create" button to be available when we > > > > > > instantiate > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > livetable. This could be useful for the wiki index > page, > > for > > > > > the > > > > > > > user > > > > > > > > > > > directory, for all the AWM homepages... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess you like the files live table from the File > Manager > > > > then > > > > > :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/File+Manager+Applicati… > > > > > > > > > > . Would be interesting to have such a toolbar (with > > support for > > > > > > > custom > > > > > > > > > > buttons) before the live table don't you think? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IMO the toolbar's functionality is already covered by the > > > > 'Actions' > > > > > > > column > > > > > > > > in the livetable. The only thing missing is the 'Create' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not sure this is the same use case. I can see at least 3 > > reasons > > > > > why: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IMO it's exactly the same use case, the only difference is that > the > > > > > Actions > > > > > > column was used as an intermediate solution because we didn't had > > bulk > > > > > > actions in livetable (the ability to make multiple entity > selection > > > > > > (checkbox) - that's why we duplicate the entries on each row). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Great, this means that we agree on the fact that the "Actions" > column > > > > > should be replaced by a "Select" column with checkboxes in it, and > > also > > > > > that Marius' horizontal livetable toolbar should be expanded to be > > used > > > > in > > > > > a generic fashion by all livetables :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not completely replaced because not all operations/actions can be > > performed > > > > in bulk fashion. Take the 'edit' action and notice that it is a > single > > > > element action compared to 'delete'. > > > > > > > > A different situation exists for the 'rename' action since it is more > > of a > > > > single element action, but can be presented as a bulk action as well > > if you > > > > provide some kind of renaming template like '_'. > > > > > > > > In other words, both the bulk operations toolbar and the actions > column > > > > have their right place in the livetable IMO and having a checkbox > > column > > > > like Marius did for the FM livetable looks like the right way to go. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Eduard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guillaume > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Caty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1/ The "create" button would generate a new entry, whereas the > > > > > "actions" > > > > > > > column is for actions that are related to individual entries > that > > > > > already > > > > > > > exist > > > > > > > 2/ The "actions" column can be removed by the livetable creator > > > > > > > 3/ The toolbar would also be useful to handle bulk actions on > > pages > > > > > such > > > > > > as > > > > > > > "delete selected entries" (as in the file manager) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guillaume > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Caty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes and yes :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guillaume > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Basically the button would let the user create a new > > item of > > > > > the > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > type > > > > > > > > > > > than the items displayed in the livetable. Right now we > > do > > > > this > > > > > > in > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > ad-hoc fashion, so it would be great to have a generic > > > > > solution. > > > > > > > It's > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > related to the automatic page name generation module > > (that we > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > the core yet, though there's an extensions doing it > > > > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Unique+Identification+… > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guillaume > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > - from my POV, looking at the page from a far, the > new > > > > > > location > > > > > > > > > looks > > > > > > > > > > >> > completely randomly selected: > > > > > > > > > > >> > -- It's not on the left/top (as left-to-right > language > > > > > > specific > > > > > > > > > brains > > > > > > > > > > >> are > > > > > > > > > > >> > trained to follow) > > > > > > > > > > >> > -- it's not exactly at the top either > > > > > > > > > > >> > -- it's not at the right > > > > > > > > > > >> > -- it's not next to the type of elements it creates > > (i.e. > > > > > next > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > >> > WIKI/SPACE/PAGE) > > > > > > > > > > >> > -- it basically is almost in the middle of the > screen > > > > > > > > > > >> > - etc. (i.e. others that don`t come right now to my > > mind) > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> Personally, I like the fact that it is located near > the > > Edit > > > > > > > button, > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > >> if it does not concern the current page. Because it > > groups > > > > the > > > > > > > most > > > > > > > > > > basic > > > > > > > > > > >> and useful actions that you need when you want to > > > > contribute: > > > > > > > EDIT, > > > > > > > > > ADD. > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> To me, it makes sense. > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > I`d like to open a discussion on this, since it's > > quite an > > > > > > > > important > > > > > > > > > > >> aspect > > > > > > > > > > >> > of the UI and, due to it's shiny green color (which > I > > like > > > > > > :)), > > > > > > > > it`s > > > > > > > > > > hard > > > > > > > > > > >> > to miss. > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Is it just me who's resistant to change, or do > others > > see > > > > a > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > here > > > > > > > > > > >> > with this as well? > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > >> > Eduard