12 Jun
2015
12 Jun
'15
11 a.m.
Hi Caleb,
On 12 Jun 2015 at 10:28:23, Caleb James DeLisle (cjd@cjdns.fr(mailto:cjd@cjdns.fr))
wrote:
I think I can say without justification that changing
a term which is in the
XWiki developer's lexicon is going to inflict pain, however I don't see the
real pain in keeping it. Certainly other names could be better and I might
have chosen "root" to keep with unix standards of "Global Administrator
Right"
to explain that it's global to a farm.
But I don't think the self-explanitory nature of these names over
"programming right" is adaquate reason to change.
Standard gage railroad track is 4 feet 8 and a half inches wide, certainly not
the *best* width and indeed somewhat of an insane number, but the people who
built the first trains were wagon makers and that was the width of the wagon
axles because if they were not that width, they would break when running in the
rutted stone roads left by the Romans, indeed that width dates all the way back
to the width of a Roman war chariot... or so the story goes.
The point is that as much as existing standards might suck, "programming
rights"
is carved into every XWiki developer's mind just as "4 feet 8 and a half
inches"
is written in the ties, tunnels, switches and bridges all over the world and to
propose a change to that you need a *really* good reason.
While I understand what you’re saying (however this would be just a name change!!), based
on your logic we would never change anything:
- we would still call “web” the notion of spaces
- we wouldn’t be able to drop the concept of spaces for nested documents
- etc
Now I agree that every change should be motivated, maybe I failed to explain the
motivation properly.
Reason 1: "programming right” doesn’t have much to do anymore with programming ;) (it
never has but that’s another matter). It’s used for securing lots of other topics.
Reason 2: Every day we have people who don’t understand what “programming right” is about.
They think it’s the “script” right that we wish to add. Since you’re on IRC I’m sure
you’re seeing this too. The latest occurrence was yesterday night but it happens daily.
So IMO the pain point is now, not later ;)
Thanks
-Vincent
On 06/12/2015 09:02 AM, vincent(a)massol.net wrote:
> Hi devs,
>
> With the intoduction of http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-12171 (Add a script right
to manage script macro execution permissions) in 7.2, we should also think about renaming
what we call "Programming Right" (PR for short) since "Script" and
"Programming" are close. At least to change that in the UI (and possibly even at
API level by introducing new methods ands deprecating old ones).
>
> First step would be to find a new name. I can think of:
> * Privilege Right (nice thing is that PR is still valid ;))
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/privilege "a right, immunity, or benefit
enjoyed only by a person beyond the advantages of most:". This would mean that people
with the Privilege Right would be able to use Privileged APIs.
> * System Right
> * God Right
>
> My preference goes to "Privilege" or "Privileged".
>
> WDYT about
> 1) Changing the name
> 2) The new name to use if you agree with 1)
> ?
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent