Re: [xwiki-devs] [VOTE] Start supporting IE10 and IE11

On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Thomas Mortagne wrote: > On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Thomas Mortagne > wrote: >> Ok let me rephrase that a bit, what I would like to apply is what MS >> plan to upgrade: "only the most current version of Internet Explorer > > s/upgrade/apply/ > >> available for a supported operating system". So based on what's on >> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/lifecycle. Right now this mean dropping support for 8 and 9. >> >> On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 4:57 PM, Thomas Mortagne >> wrote: >>> On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 4:45 PM, vincent(a)massol.net <

wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 4 Sep 2014 at 16:43:42, Thomas Mortagne (

(mailto:thomas.mortagne@xwiki.com)) wrote: >>>> >>>>> IMO we should modify >>>>>

>>>>> with something like "we support what Microsoft support". It's

>>>>> and easy to defend IMO (why the hell would we do what Microsoft

>>>>> not ?). >>>> >>>> I don’t like this too much because there are various levels of support. General support and the companies take specific IE support for older versions. >>> >>> I'm talking about general support (what MS call "mainstream support" >>> on http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/lifecycle) of course >>> since that's what we are talking about here. >>> >>>> >>>> And then I don’t necessarily agree to support old versions of IE

if MS support them. For me it’s our choice to make. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> -Vincent >>>> >>>>> On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau >>>>> wrote: >>>>> > +1 for IE9/10/11 >>>>> > +0 for IE8 (there is a lot of users but even Microsoft does not support it!) >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > 2014-09-04 16:11 GMT+02:00 Thomas Mortagne : >>>>> > >>>>> >> On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Thomas Mortagne >>>>> >> wrote: >>>>> >> > What about supporting what Microsoft support ? That means not IE9/10/11 >>>>> >> only. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Remove the "not" of course. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > See >>>>> >>

>>>>> >> . >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > IMO we should not do more that the own browser editor does. >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 3:40 PM, vincent(a)massol.net >>>>> >> wrote: >>>>> >> >> Reviving this thread since we need to decide and lots of committers >>>>> >> haven’t voted yet! >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> I’ve updated >>>>> >> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy

>>>>> >> recent market share. >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> Note that there are various other sources and they don’t seem to show >>>>> >> similar data: >>>>> >> >> - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers >>>>> >> >> - http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parts_de_march%C3%A9_des_navigateurs_web >>>>> >> >> - http://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> However I think they all show that if we wish to support 80% of users >>>>> >> we have to support about the 10 top browsers used and AFAICS

includes: >>>>> >> >> - IE8/9/10/11 >>>>> >> >> - FF latest >>>>> >> >> - Chrome latest >>>>> >> >> - Safari latest >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> It seems market shared for IE8/9 are still high. However IE10 is less >>>>> >> high (probably because those who upgraded to it quickly upgraded to IE11)? >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> So far we have the following votes: >>>>> >> >> - Andrea: +1 to support IE10/11 >>>>> >> >> - Vincent: +1 to support IE10/11 >>>>> >> >> - Marius: +1 to support IE11, +0 to support IE8/9/10 >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> Thanks >>>>> >> >> -Vincent >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> On 10 Jun 2014 at 09:08:43, vincent(a)massol.net ( vincent(a)massol.net >>>>> >> (mailto:vincent@massol.net)) wrote: >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >>> Hi Andrea/all, >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> On 10 Jun 2014 at 08:46:45, Andreea Popescu ( andreea.popescu(a)xwiki.com >>>>> >> (mailto:andreea.popescu@xwiki.com)) wrote: >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> > Hello all, >>>>> >> >>> > >>>>> >> >>> > Following the "Start supporting IE10 and IE11" thread I’d like to >>>>> >> propose >>>>> >> >>> > to vote if we will support IE10 and IE11. >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> FTR the thread in question is at >>>>> >> http://markmail.org/message/zjlbcfkl5cqnrwfk >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> > The most important reasons for supporting these versions are: >>>>> >> >>> > >>>>> >> >>> > - Internet Explorer 8 and Internet Explorer 9 are still widely used >>>>> >> by >>>>> >> >>> > users, but many of them are currently choosing to update

IE10 and >>>>> >> IE11. >>>>> >> >>> > - according to netmarketshare.com (Browsers -> Desktop Share by >>>>> >> Version) >>>>> >> >>> > from a total of 100%, IE10 is used by 6.85% users and IE11 by 16.61% >>>>> >> users. >>>>> >> >>> > It’s true that IE10 is not as popular as the older

(IE8 - >>>>> >> 20.85% >>>>> >> >>> > and IE9 - 8.89%), but its usage percentage is still significant. >>>>> >> >>> > >>>>> >> >>> > Here’s my +1. >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> On the above-mentioned thread Marius had proposed to support only the >>>>> >> latest version of each browser, which is basically what we’re doing except >>>>> >> for IE. The rationale is that it takes time to support all browsers and the >>>>> >> community can only do so much. Companies offering paid services on top of >>>>> >> XWiki could support the other browser versions for their customers. >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> While I understand that, my POV is a bit different: I’d like that we >>>>> >> support the top browsers/versions used by the majority of

because I >>>>> >> feel XWiki will be successful if the majority of people can use it without >>>>> >> problems. >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> Looking at the graph at >>>>> >> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy if >>>>> >> we were to support at least the top 6 browser/versions we would cover 70% >>>>> >> of the user base. For IE this means supporting IE8-11. Note that strangely >>>>> >> IE8 is the top browser in market shares, way above most of the others… Not >>>>> >> supporting it ATM would mean “loosing" 20%+ of users. If we have problems >>>>> >> supporting, say the top 10 browsers, then we can drop to top 6, if that’s >>>>> >> an issue, then to top 5, etc. ATM we’re supporting 5 browsers

with >>>>> >> IE10-11, this would mean raising to 7 browsers. I propose that

try it >>>>> >> with the additional 2 browsers (IE10-11) and see if it’s a

for us or >>>>> >> it’s manageable. >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> So there are 2 questions in here: >>>>> >> >>> - Starting the support for IE10-11: I’m +1 for that >>>>> >> >>> - Deciding if we want to support only one version for each browser or >>>>> >> instead support the highest browsers in marketshare. I’m +1 for the >>>>> >> marketshare approach. >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> Thanks >>>>> >> >>> -Vincent >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >> >> devs mailing list >>>>> >> >> devs(a)xwiki.org >>>>> >> >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > -- >>>>> >> > Thomas Mortagne >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> -- >>>>> >> Thomas Mortagne >>>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >> devs mailing list >>>>> >> devs(a)xwiki.org >>>>> >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >>>>> >> >>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>> > devs mailing list >>>>> > devs(a)xwiki.org >>>>> > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Thomas Mortagne >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> devs mailing list >>>>> devs(a)xwiki.org >>>>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> devs mailing list >>>> devs(a)xwiki.org >>>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Thomas Mortagne >> >> >> >> -- >> Thomas Mortagne > > > > -- > Thomas Mortagne -- Thomas Mortagne _______________________________________________ devs mailing list devs(a)xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs