11 Feb
2016
11 Feb
'16
5:49 p.m.
On 11 Feb 2016 at 16:07:39, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
(valicac@gmail.com(mailto:valicac@gmail.com)) wrote:
On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 5:24 PM, vincent(a)massol.net
wrote:
Indeed, I think I mixed it up. It’s the App bar that disappears (if it’s in the right
panels) since those apps overwrite the right panels. Meaning that we’re loosing the way to
navigate to the apps.
Hi Guillaume/Caty,
On 21 Jan 2016 at 15:48:49, Guillaume Lerouge (guillaume(a)xwiki.com(mailto:
guillaume(a)xwiki.com)) wrote:
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I don't know why the Appbar would be displayed since the WebPreferences for
Blog or File Manager is not calling it. Blog has indeed custom right panels
defined and that's normal. This is the case for other applications too,
like Forum, Meetings, etc. Hi,
big +1 with the idea!
On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 2:50 PM, vincent(a)massol.net
wrote:
>
>
> On 21 Jan 2016 at 14:47:51, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) (
valicac(a)gmail.com
> (mailto:valicac@gmail.com)) wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > +1 for the Demo Flavor - it's a good chance to demonstrate XWiki's
> > capabilities and highlight nice applications.
> >
> > In terms of layout we can switch the AppBar with the Navigation :)
like
>
Guillaume mentioned.
I think having the navigation on the left is better. On almost all websites I know about, treeview navigation is
located on the left. You
have
the current page highlighted, and the content of
the page itself is next
to
it.
So I feel that having the tree view on the right would be
counter-intuitive
for most users, whereas the app bar is less
context-sensitive.
There’s an issue with this. If you navigate to the Blog app or the File
Manager app (for example), you see the app bar displayed on the left :)
In a Groupware Flavor the pattern is that the Appbar
is on the left. We
added custom panels for some apps.
Now the problem comes from the fact that you want the Demo flavor to
combine KnowledgeBase and Groupware Flavors.
Hmm I’ve never said that, have I? :)
Actually I’ve said the opposite: I’ve mentioned that the demo flavor should include a
sizeable list of good extensions to showcase XWiki. So I’d prefer to have the app bar on
the left for this use case actually.
More precisely I think we should have the app bar at the same location as we have in the
default flavor. Right now that’s on the left.
Also I’m not sure if we need a nav panel since nav is supposed to be always available from
the breadcrumb from everywhere. We do need a Tour to explain this though.
But right now I’d like to release a first basic version of the demo flavor and have it
installed on playground.xwiki.org.
Thanks
-Vincent
It's hard to put in the same
location both navigation tree and appbar. I think we need to decide what is
the main case.
Thanks,
Caty
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
> > > Regarding Applications:
> > > > - there are other nice applications on e.x.o, one example is
> > > > http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/MoccaCalendar
> >
> >
> > Yep, that one is good too! Not so sure about the Diagram app however, I
> > haven't used it nor seen it used recently.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Guillaume
> >
> >
> > > Indeed I missed this one. I agree we should include it. I was looking
> at
> > >
> http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/CollaborativeApplications
> and
> > > I just missed it for some reason, wasn’t voluntary :)
> > >
> > > > - some ideas for the future:
> > > > -- we should use more the ratings system on e.x.o and add in this
> Demo
> > > > Flavor the top extensions according to the ratings given by users
> > >
> > > Sure, when we think that we have enough votes and they are
> representative.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > -Vincent
> > >
> > > > -- or we could cycle the apps listed in the Demo Flavor and have
5-10
> > > apps
> > > > in a 6 months/year period, while switching them to highlight other
> apps.
> > > > This way extension creators could be featured in the Demo Flavor.
> > > > -- when we will have more Flavors listed by the community, the Demo
> > > Flavor
> > > > could highlight a particular Flavor submitted by the community,
> > > featuring a
> > > > particular use case: development, gaming KB, etc. :) this way we can
> demo
> > > > the vast extensibility of XWiki :) sounds exciting :) but for now
the
> > > > proposed list is just fine.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Caty
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 2:19 PM, vincent(a)massol.net
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 21 Jan 2016 at 13:10:41, Guillaume Delhumeau (
> gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com
> > > > > (mailto:gdelhumeau@xwiki.com)) wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > +1, I'm just not fan of having the app bar in the right
column.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Note: in the future, this flavor should integrate a tour (
> > > > > >
> > > http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Tour+Application)
> > > > > to
> > > > > > demonstrate the power of XWiki. I'm working on this
application
> > > > > currently.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes I agree. However I also think that this tour should be in
the
> base
> > > > > flavor and that it should be extensible so that flavors could
> > > contribute
> > > > > additional tour items.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > > -vincent
> > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2016-01-21 12:13 GMT+01:00 vincent(a)massol.net :
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > FTR, for now I'm not proposing a multiwiki since
that would
> means
> > > > > > > installing a new wiki and it's harder to manage
upgrades.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So I’m only proposing the first version below.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Future versions could have:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > * Multiwiki (i.e. separate wiki)
> > > > > > > * Social logins installed by default (would need to
make it a
> real
> > > > > > > installable extensions though)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > > -Vincent
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 21 Jan 2016 at 12:11:05, vincent(a)massol.net (
> vincent(a)massol.net
> > > > > (mailto:
> > > > > > > vincent(a)massol.net)) wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I’d like to request a github repo in
xwiki-contrib for a Demo
> > > flavor
> > > > > > > extension.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The idea is that:
> > > > > > > > - since we want to demonstrate the power of xwiki
on
> > > > > > > playground.xwiki.org
> > > > > > > > - and since the xwiki github org will focus on
providing
> generic
> > > > > runtime
> > > > > > > only (made only with core extensions), it would be
interesting
> for
> > > > > users
> > > > > > > testing xwiki to have a demo flavor that users can
pick from on
> > > the DW
> > > > > > > screen (in addition to the default flavor). In the
future we
> > > expect the
> > > > > > > community to create a lot more flavors but that’s for
later,
> won’t
> > > > > happen
> > > > > > > overnight.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > So I’m proposing to create a demo flavor that
includes a
> maximum
> > > > > number
> > > > > > > of high-quality extensions that we have in
xwiki-contrib:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > To start with:
> > > > > > > > - Blog
> > > > > > > > - File Manager
> > > > > > > > - Meeting Manager
> > > > > > > > - Forum
> > > > > > > > - Task Manager
> > > > > > > > - Idea
> > > > > > > > - FAQ
> > > > > > > > - Diagram
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In addition, in term of layout I’m proposing:
> > > > > > > > * Navigation panel on the left
> > > > > > > > * App bar on the right
> > > > > > > > * A demo text on the home page and beneath the
activity
> stream
> > > (one
> > > > > > > under another so that clicking edit makes it easy to
update the
> > > page)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > WDYT?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > > > -Vincent
> > > > > > > >