10 Oct
2011
10 Oct
'11
5:22 p.m.
Hi Caty,
On Oct 10, 2011, at 3:51 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) wrote:
Not very sure about it.
And how do we announce the new commiter that he has been voted? Are we still
making the announcement public?
Yes, we have http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/HallOfFame anyway. It's
public information.
The feeling of being voted is very nice, you get a
picture of the people
that appreciate what you do. Letting this go would be a pitty and if we are
not removing this part then it means we are gonna duplicate the vote.
You're actually proving my point :) If voting is about giving +1 it's useless.
That's not the point of voting and makes voting a joke IMO.
You want to bet how you'd have felt if one of use had given a -1 to your VOTE as a
committer? :)
Also the voting process is usually initiated by an
existing commiter. IMO
the initiator is responsible to assure he is proposing someone who will be
accepted without problems.
That's funny because it's the opposite of voting. What's the point of voting
if you know the result already? The point of voting is to get the feedback from people.
You're right though that right now it's a pain. When I propose someone I
effectively have to contact a lot of committers manually by pinging them directly on skype
or by mail to ask them how they'd felt if I started a vote mail for such person. The
only reason I do this is because I know that a negative vote will be very negative for
that person and I don't want that to happen. If the VOTE mail was on a private list, I
would definitely not do this. Whenever I'd think that someone is good, I'd propose
the VOTE and people who've interacted with the person would tell me what they really
think.
Until now people that didn't agreed with
something (or didn't had enough information about the topic) they didn't
vote.
That's even worse! We want to know what people who don't agree think. They usually
have very valid points.
Because our number is increasing I propose to increase
the needed
votes to pass the proposal from 3 to 5+, or why not even half+1 in important
cases, like this one.
Ok that's another proposal but it's not related to this IMO. VOTing is not about
giving +1. It's about +1, 0 and -1.
IMO, we either do everything public or not. So doing a
private list just for
this purpose is not sufficient IMO and is also a not very encountered case.
I disagree. BTW this not new, we already have 2 private lists so the everything public or
not argument doesn't stand ;)
What you're effectively proposing is to stop voting for new members (since giving +1
for sure or not voting is the exact same). You're negating the fact that our vote
system is not a proportional system (it's not a majority-based system). We have
vetoes. We could indeed decide to change our vote rules for new members but it's bad
since in your system people who don't agree will just shut up and you'll never
know that the person shouldn't have become a contributor for such and such reason. I
personally wouldn't change to change our vote rules for this.
Thanks
-Vincent
Thanks,
Caty
On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 16:16, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
On Oct 10, 2011, at 3:05 PM, Vincent Massol wrote:
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There are a few topics that are not supposed to be public or that would
be better
be not public.
One such topic is when we want to VOTE someone as a committer. It's very
uncomfortable to do this in the open for the following reasons:
* committers are tempted to VOTE +1 since voting
negatively is seen
publicly, including by the person being voted on
* it's very undelicate to have this in the
open especially if the person
is voted down since that'll affect that
person's morale and future
participation in the project
So I'd like to propose creating a committers(a)xwiki.org list with the
following
characteristics:
* private, visible only to committers
So here are some use cases for this list:
* voting in members
* excluding members
Any other topic you see?
+1 from me.
I also propose it to use it for voting
committers.
+1
Thanks
-Vincent
WDYT?
Thanks
-Vincent
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