Re: [xwiki-devs] [Proposals] Menu improvements when Workspaces activated

18 Sep 2013

+1 for E. It's basically what Workspaces did from the start and that was
the whole point: navigation, hierarchy and consistency. I believe the first
users of Workspaces found it quite intuitive and nobody complained :)

Side Note: I'm also against the notion of "System" in the UI that's
recently being pushed.

Thanks,
Eduard

On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Sorin Burjan &lt;sorin.burjan(a)xwiki.com&gt;wrote;wrote:

...
  +1 for E

 Regards,
 Sorin B.

 On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 11:24 AM, Silvia Rusu &lt;silvia.rusu(a)xwiki.com&gt;
 wrote:

  Hi!

 I like Proposal E the best, so +1 for E.

 Thanks,
 Silvia

 On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau
 &lt;gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote:
  Hi.

 Seems RC1 is soon, I encourage everybody to give his point of view in  order
  to make a choice.

 Thanks,
 Guillaume

 2013/9/12 Jeremie BOUSQUET &lt;jeremie.bousquet(a)gmail.com&gt;

> Hi,
>
>
> 2013/9/12 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau &lt;gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt;
>
> > Indeed, the proposal A was based on
> >
> 

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead
  >> > of 
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu.
  > >
> > Then I suggest to call your proposal: E.
> >
> > Let me recap:
> >
> > - Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu".
> >
> > - Proposal B : XWiki right side menu
> >
> > - Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu
> >
> > - Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo.
> >
> > - Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty.
> >
> > --
> >
> > About E:
> > Some issues IMHO:
> > - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home wiki  and
 > > when you are in the subwiki.
> > - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the  users
 > and
> > the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? Can't 
it
 > be
> > confusing?
> >
>
> I would say: it depends.
> In "farm" concept it's almost completely useless, because different
 persons
 >> will administrate different subwikis of their own and someone else  will
  >
administrate main wiki.
> In "workspace" concept, I find very useful to be able to administrate
 main
 > wiki without having to browse to main wiki,
because I may find myself
> wanting to administer main wiki just anytime, while I administer a  subwiki
 > merely to manage users allowed in this
subwiki ... and, yes, install
> extensions and choose a color theme.
>
> To be honest, I use 5.1 + Workspace extension, and I hardly have any  issue
 > with navigating through wikis, administering
this or that etc ... The  only
 > thing I would miss, are some quick links to
switch to a wiki or the  other
 >> (instead of having to browse to a "Workspace directory" page), but
 this
  >> kind of thing does not really scale with
numerous wikis.
 >>
 >> I like Vincent's idea to tweak the home logo, as I never quite liked 
the
  >> idea of a "Home" menu - home
in websites is typically the homepage,  and
  >> nothing else.
 >>
 >>
 >> >
 >> > Thanks,
 >> > Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau
 >> >
 >> >
 >> >
 >> > 2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) &lt;valicac(a)gmail.com&gt;
 >> >
 >> > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol < 
vincent(a)massol.net

> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > You forgot one proposal which I like:
> > > >
> > > > == Proposal D ==
> > > >
> > > > * Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left)
> > > > * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current 
wiki
 > > > > * The proposal is about
generalizing that feature to allow  navigating
 >> > > > either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of
 other
  >
wikis
> > > > * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover 
over
 > > the
> > > > logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with 
first
 > > > entry
> > > > = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a
second entry  with
 >> > > "Wiki
 >> > > > Index" for example.
 >> > > >
 >> > > > What I like with this is that the user is already used to use
 the
  >> logo
 >> > as
 >> > > > a way to navigate to the home of wiki.
 >> > > >
 >> > > > Thanks
 >> > > > -Vincent
 >> > > >
 >> > > > On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau
<
 >> > > > gdelhumeau(a)xwiki.com&gt; wrote:
 >> > > >
 >> > > > > Hi developers.
 >> > > > >
 >> > > > > Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that
integrate
 >> > > Workspace
 >> > > > in
 >> > > > > XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA:
 >> > > > > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu
improvements  when
  > >
> > Workspaces
> > > > > activated".
> > > > >
> > > > > The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2
 (which
 > > was
> > > > > scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull 
request.
 > I
> > > have
> > > > > also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work.
> > > > >
> > > > > == Proposal A ==
> > > > > There is some screenshots (Proposal A):
> > > > > Logged as admin:
> > > > >
> > 
 http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
 > > > > > Not logged as admin:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> 

http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admi…
  > >
> > >
> > > > > You can get it from this commit:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> 

https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e50249…
  > >
> > > (except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot)
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal
> > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
> > >
> > > In your screenshot is:
> > > * Home
> > > ** Administer Main Wiki
> > > ** Wiki Directory
> > >
> > > What it was proposed:
> > > * Home
> > > ** Administration
> > > ** Wikis Index
> > > ** ....
> > >
> > >
> >
> 

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM…
  > >
>
> > >
> >
> 

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM…
  > >
>
> > > "Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as:
> > > - "Administration"
> > > or
> > > - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home"
> > > depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki.
> > >
> > >
> > > > > We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the
> current
> > > > menus:
> > > > > - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when
 we
 >> are
 >> > > in
 >> > > > a
 >> > > > > (sub)wiki? Does it make sense?
 >> > > >
 >> > >
 >> > > As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to 
administrate
  >> both
 >> > > the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home 
(mainwiki).
  >> > >
 >> > >
 >> > > > > - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of
 the
  > >
current
> > > > > wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a
"main"  and
 > > > > several
> > > > > "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could
 imagine, in
 > > the
> > > > > future, a new implementation where there is no distinction 
between
 >> > > "main"
 >> > > > > and "sub", but where we have an independent
"system" that  allows
  >> the
 >> > > > users
 >> > > > > to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to
 call
 > the
 > >> > > menu
 > >> > > > > "System" or "XWiki".
 > >> > > >
 > >> > >
 > >> > > The "main" and "sub" is transformed in
"home" and "wiki". The menu
 > >> > displays
 > >> > > the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also
consistent
 > with
 > >> the
 > >> > > way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.)
 > >> > >
 > >> > > > - When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki,
we only
 > have a
 > >> > > > > single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and
page has
 > more
 > >> > > > content.
 > >> > > > > It does not look good.
 > >> > > >
 > >> > >
 > >> > > In the proposal there is
  > >
>
> > >
> >
> 

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM…
  > >
> Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we  could
 > > also
> > > list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User
Directory"
> (especially
> > > since workspaces have only global users and the directory is  located
in
 >> > the
 >> > > main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in
order to  have
 > a
 > >> > > consistency between the index/directory applications naming.
 > >> > >
 > >> > > So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the
 > submenu,
 > >> > we
 > >> > > could have more entries (if they are related to the Home
 > (mainwiki)).
 > >> > >
 > >> > >
 > >> > > > > - If you are in the main wiki, you have
"Administer main wiki"
 > >> twice:
 > >> > > > once
 > >> > > > > in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu.
 > >> > > > > - The left menu has too many items.
 > >> > > >
 > >> > >
 > >> > > If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from
 > >> > > * Menu in the (sub)wiki
  > >
>
> > >
> >
> 

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM…
 > >> > > in
 > >> > > * Menu in the Home (mainwiki)
  > >
>
> > >
> >
> 

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeM…
  > >
>
> > > The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of
> content'
> > > inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages)
> > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > == Proposal B ==
> > > > > Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in 
5.2M2,
 > so
> > we
> > > > > started to iterate until having this proposal:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> 

http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(pro…
  > >
> > > B).
> > > > >
> > > > > Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the
 left
 > > > side,
> > > > we
> > > > > have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can 
actually
 > > > > achieve
> > > > > on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like
"Administer",  "Delete"
 >> or
 >> > > > > "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions
like that,  it
  > just
> > > > > provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's
 more a
 >> > > > "System"
 >> > > > > menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action.
That's  why
  we
 > > put
> > > it
> > > > > there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less
> > > confusing.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content 
organization
 > > > hierarchy: home > wiki >
space > page.
> > > You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content || 
User".
 > > The
> > > "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your
> location
> > in
> > > the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User related
> > actions.
> > >
> > > Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to 
customize
 > > > their instance and not even show
it's running on XWiki, making it  their
 > > > own.
> > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > == Proposal C ==
> > > > > We had also this idea:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> 

http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposal…
  > >
> > > But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the
 "Main
 >> > Wiki"
 >> > > > > link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions
 like
  > >
> > > "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Crowded and serves as a double function.
> > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ---
> > > > > After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What
 should
 > I
> > > do?
> > > > Do
> > > > > I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said
yes,
> because
> > he
> > > > > wanted to have something to show to the community that can 
still be
 > > > > changed
> > > > > for the RC1, and he applied the pull request.
> > > > >
> > > > > So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have:
> > > > >
> > > > > A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal):
> > > > > Current implementation:
> > > > >
> > 
 http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
 > > > > > Mockup with the new
skin:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> 

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/Men…
  >> > > > >
 >> > > > > B - "XWiki" right menu:
 >> > > > >
 >> > >
 >> 
 http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png
  > >
> > >
> > > > > C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu:
> > > > > 
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png
 >> > > > >
 >> > > > > I propose to start a thread where you can all give your
 opinion,
  > >
> > regarding
> > > > > one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We
 must
   >
have
 > > a
 > > > > consensus for the RC1!
 > > > >
 > > > > 0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy).
 > > > > +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO).
 > > > > -1 for proposal C.
 > > > >
 > > >
 > >
 > > So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed:
 > > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
 > >
 > > (Wiki / (sub)wiki)
 > > * Home
 > > ** Administration
 > > ** ---
 > > ** Wikis Index/Directory
 > > ** Documents Index
 > >
 > > (Home/mainwiki)
 > > * Home
 > > ** Watch Home
 > > ** Administer Home
 > > ** ---
 > > ** Wikis Index
 > > ** Documents Index
 > >
 > > Thanks,
 > > Caty
 > >
 > >
 > > > > Louis-Marie
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Re: [xwiki-devs] [Proposals] Menu improvements when Workspaces activated