Re: [xwiki-devs] [VOTE] Overhaul of the administration, layout

I see lots of you are in favor of making modifications to the content of the page (the view mode option). I would also be in favor except for the points below. My main worry is that this leads to pages with not only content but also layout/presentation code (navigation menu/ space selection). Ideally I think these should come "around" a page and not be mixed in a page. My reasons: * It means we need to provide additional code, maintain it and offer macros/apis so that other users can also use this new navigation manner should they want to do that in their own pages * If we modify the skin, these will also need to be modified and it's additional work. Compared to the panels solution it's a lot more work (for implementing, for maintaining). * It's not consistent with other modes like the edit mode and with general navigation we're offering. Some of you mentioned that we shouldn't use the side panels for admin navigation since it's not consistent with the Panels Wizard which requires view mode. Actually the Panels wizard doesn't require view mode. It requires a special Design View that makes left and right panels appear according to user's selection and the ability to move panels around. We should definitely not choose a general solution because one admin option (the Panel Wizard) requires a different mode. * Last it seems you don't agree with the notion of View (aka Perspectives). For example in Eclipse there's a Java perspective, a Debug perspective, a Repository one, etc. the rationale is that once you have a certain amount of data to present it's just too heavy to put them all on a single page as this page becomes messy. My take is that it's natural that the edit mode has a special View, that normal page browsing has another and that Admin has yet another. This is what means the cleanest possible interface by far IMO and uses the best the browser's view space. I really think we're starting (or continuing/making it worse) a bad trend of putting layout/presentation inside pages whereas they should be "around" pages but apparently I'm the only one to think so. Thinking about this if we had a top banner space for putting navigation panels in there that would suit me much better. I know that I'm in the minority so I'll bend to the general agreement. Thanks -Vincent On Jun 17, 2008, at 6:27 PM, Thomas Mortagne wrote: _______________________________________________ devs mailing list devs(a)xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs