2 Sep
2016
2 Sep
'16
10:46 a.m.
Hi xwiki committers,
According to the French law we have to have a legal notice page on xwiki.org, see:
https://www.service-public.fr/professionnels-entreprises/vosdroits/F31228
I’ve thus created http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/LegalNotice/
WDYT? Anything to add?
Now we need to link it, somewhere in the footer.
@Caty: would you have any idea of where would be the best place?
Thanks
-Vincent
2 Sep
2 Sep
10:54 a.m.
Hi XWiki Committers,
I'm +1 with the page you created Vincent.
About the place where we could display it, I suggest in the footer in the
"About" section just after "Sponsors".
WDYT?
Thanks,
Benjamin
2016-09-02 10:46 GMT+02:00 Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>et>:
Hi xwiki committers,
According to the French law we have to have a legal notice page on
xwiki.org, see:
https://www.service-public.fr/professionnels-entreprises/vosdroits/F31228
I’ve thus created http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/LegalNotice/
WDYT? Anything to add?
Now we need to link it, somewhere in the footer.
@Caty: would you have any idea of where would be the best place?
Thanks
-Vincent
_______________________________________________
devs mailing list
devs(a)xwiki.org
http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
1:27 p.m.
The best place would be the "About" section.
What will be the name? "Legal"?
Thanks,
Caty
On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 11:54 AM, Benjamin Lanciaux <
benjamin.lanciaux(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
Hi XWiki Committers,
I'm +1 with the page you created Vincent.
About the place where we could display it, I suggest in the footer in the
"About" section just after "Sponsors".
WDYT?
Thanks,
Benjamin
2016-09-02 10:46 GMT+02:00 Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>et>:
Hi xwiki committers,
According to the French law we have to have a legal notice page on
xwiki.org, see:
https://www.service-public.fr/professionnels-entreprises/
vosdroits/F31228
I’ve thus created http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/LegalNotice/
WDYT? Anything to add?
Now we need to link it, somewhere in the footer.
@Caty: would you have any idea of where would be the best place?
Thanks
-Vincent
_______________________________________________
devs mailing list
devs(a)xwiki.org
http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
_______________________________________________
devs mailing list
devs(a)xwiki.org
http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
1:42 p.m.
Note that each country has a different requirement for this kind of page.
Maybe this is a place to asllocate for all wikis?
For a site hosted in Germany, that page is called an "Impressum" and
beyond the terms of use, it also has the duty to indicate a full name
and address of the owner of the website. That'd be a person that a
lawyer should reach to, if a blatant copyright issue would be detected.
I would be in favour of extending this page to any XWiki entreprise.
paul
PS: in the http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/LegalNotice/ I see
that you're talking of a cookie, which is probably EU-required. However,
the text doesn't say that we set cookies from the start on; are we not
doing that?
Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) wrote:
The best place would be the "About"
section.
What will be the name? "Legal"?
1:49 p.m.
On 02 Sep 2016, at 13:42, Paul Libbrecht
<paul(a)hoplahup.net> wrote:
Note that each country has a different requirement for this kind of page.
Maybe this is a place to asllocate for all wikis?
Not sure I understand what you mean. This site is hosted in France.
For a site hosted in Germany, that page is called an
"Impressum" and
beyond the terms of use, it also has the duty to indicate a full name
and address of the owner of the website. That'd be a person that a
lawyer should reach to, if a blatant copyright issue would be detected.
I would be in favour of extending this page to any XWiki entreprise.
paul
PS: in the http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/LegalNotice/ I see
that you're talking of a cookie, which is probably EU-required. However,
the text doesn't say that we set cookies from the start on; are we not
doing that?
Are we? I thought the cookie was only created when you’re checking the “remember me”
option.
Thanks
-Vincent
Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) wrote:
> The best place would be the "About" section.
>
> What will be the name? "Legal"?
2:09 p.m.
Note that each
country has a different requirement for this kind of page.
Maybe this is a place to asllocate for all wikis?
Not sure I understand what you
mean. This site is hosted in France. PS: in the
http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/LegalNotice/ I see
that you're talking of a cookie, which is probably EU-required. However,
the text doesn't say that we set cookies from the start on; are we not
doing that?
Are we? I thought the cookie was only created when you’re
checking the “remember me” option.
After I visited xwiki.org's home page I have
cookies for:
- xwiki.org:
- _cfduid (cloudflare loves tracking so as to protect against attackers)
- JSESSIONID
- _ga, _gat: Google analytics which we are using (not a very good
example for the others!)
- mf_user and some mf_xxx (maybe cloudflare?)
So in addition to saying that we set cookies for any visit, we should
also that we let third-party service delivery companies also set cookies
(Cloudflare Inc, Google Inc, and XX).
Paul
2:12 p.m.
On 02 Sep 2016, at 14:09, Paul Libbrecht
<paul(a)hoplahup.net> wrote:
And I was talking about extending to other
countries but probably I
should have started another thread.
Yes, we are. I just tried with an almost virgin firefox. It had no
xwiki.org cookies.
ah yes I had forgotten about google analytics. Updating the legal notice page. Thanks!
-Vincent
Note that
each country has a different requirement for this kind of page.
Maybe this is a place to asllocate for all wikis?
Not sure I understand what you
mean. This site is hosted in France. PS: in
the http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/LegalNotice/ I see
that you're talking of a cookie, which is probably EU-required. However,
the text doesn't say that we set cookies from the start on; are we not
doing that?
Are we? I thought the cookie was only created when you’re
checking the “remember me” option.
After I visited xwiki.org's home page I have
cookies for:
- xwiki.org:
- _cfduid (cloudflare loves tracking so as to protect against attackers)
- JSESSIONID
- _ga, _gat: Google analytics which we are using (not a very good
example for the others!)
- mf_user and some mf_xxx (maybe cloudflare?)
So in addition to saying that we set cookies for any visit, we should
also that we let third-party service delivery companies also set cookies
(Cloudflare Inc, Google Inc, and XX).
Paul
2:15 p.m.
On 02 Sep 2016, at 14:12, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Done:
http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/LegalNotice/
Thanks
-Vincent
On 02 Sep 2016, at 14:09, Paul Libbrecht <paul(a)hoplahup.net> wrote:
And I was talking about extending to other
countries but probably I
should have started another thread.
Yes, we are. I just tried with an almost virgin firefox. It had no
xwiki.org cookies.
ah yes I had forgotten about google analytics. Updating the legal notice page. Thanks!
Note that
each country has a different requirement for this kind of page.
Maybe this is a place to asllocate for all wikis?
Not sure I understand what you
mean. This site is hosted in France. PS: in
the http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/LegalNotice/ I see
that you're talking of a cookie, which is probably EU-required. However,
the text doesn't say that we set cookies from the start on; are we not
doing that?
Are we? I thought the cookie was only created when you’re
checking the “remember me” option.
After I visited xwiki.org's home page I have
cookies for:
- xwiki.org:
- _cfduid (cloudflare loves tracking so as to protect against attackers)
- JSESSIONID
- _ga, _gat: Google analytics which we are using (not a very good
example for the others!)
- mf_user and some mf_xxx (maybe cloudflare?) -Vincent
>
> So in addition to saying that we set cookies for any visit, we should
> also that we let third-party service delivery companies also set cookies
> (Cloudflare Inc, Google Inc, and XX).
>
> Paul
2:32 p.m.
Hi,
I think we might also need to have a name like Paul is mentioning. In
France it's "Directeur de la publication".
I don't think it's ok that we only mention the company. As both Vincent and
me are legal representatives of XWiki SAS any of our names would be ok I
believe.
Also given that we are hosted in France, I think we might need a french
version of this section, but I'm not sure if this is required or not. I
think that in french the valid link visible on any page or at least the
home page is "Mentions Legales". We might need to have the word in French
even though the site is in english.. But again I haven't checked what the
exact requirements are. Maybe we can find a document online that says what
to do for a english language site published in France.
Ludovic
Ludovic
--
*Ludovic Dubost*
*Founder and CEO*
ludovic(a)xwiki.com
skype: ldubost
Blog: http://blog.ludovic.org
On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 2:15 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
page.
Thanks!
Done:
http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/LegalNotice/
Thanks
-Vincent
On 02 Sep 2016, at 14:12, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
>
> On 02 Sep 2016, at 14:09, Paul Libbrecht <paul(a)hoplahup.net> wrote:
>
>>> Note that each country has a different requirement for this kind of
page.
>>> Maybe this is a place to asllocate
for all wikis?
>> Not sure I understand what you mean. This site is hosted in France.
> And I was talking about extending to other countries but probably I
> should have started another thread.
>>> PS: in the http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/LegalNotice/ I
see
>>> that you're talking of a cookie,
which is probably EU-required.
However,
>>> the text doesn't say that we set
cookies from the start on; are we not
>>> doing that?
>>
>> Are we?
> Yes, we are. I just tried with an almost virgin firefox. It had no
> xwiki.org cookies.
>> I thought the cookie was only created when you’re checking the
“remember
me” option.
After I
visited xwiki.org's home page I have cookies for:
- xwiki.org:
- _cfduid (cloudflare loves tracking so as to protect against attackers)
- JSESSIONID
- _ga, _gat: Google analytics which we are using (not a very good
example for the others!)
- mf_user and some mf_xxx (maybe cloudflare?)
ah yes I had forgotten about google analytics. Updating the legal notice -Vincent
>
> So in addition to saying that we set cookies for any visit, we should
> also that we let third-party service delivery companies also set cookies
> (Cloudflare Inc, Google Inc, and XX).
>
> Paul
_______________________________________________
devs mailing list
devs(a)xwiki.org
http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
3:38 p.m.
On 02 Sep 2016, at 14:32, Ludovic Dubost
<ludovic(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
Hi,
I think we might also need to have a name like Paul is mentioning. In
France it's "Directeur de la publication".
I don't think it's ok that we only mention the company. As both Vincent and
me are legal representatives of XWiki SAS any of our names would be ok I
believe.
I’ve already added a section about this. There’s no "Directeur de la
publication". This is a community site where anyone can edit and governed by a
Governance page (linked). I’ve given names already about people who provide oversight, by
linking to the active committers list (which happens to be failing right now but that’s
another matter, I need to fix it).
Also, XWiki SAS is just hosting xwiki.org. It doesn’t operate it.
Also given that we are hosted in France, I think we
might need a french
version of this section, but I'm not sure if this is required or not.
At least it’s not listed on
https://www.service-public.fr/professionnels-entreprises/vosdroits/F31228
And we can also add one when someone someone contacts us and ask us for one. Right now all
our pages are in English so I’d rather keep it that way if we can.
I
think that in french the valid link visible on any page or at least the
home page is "Mentions Legales". We might need to have the word in French
even though the site is in english.. But again I haven't checked what the
exact requirements are. Maybe we can find a document online that says what
to do for a english language site published in France.
I think we’re fine for now.
Thanks
-Vincent
Ludovic
Ludovic
--
*Ludovic Dubost*
*Founder and CEO*
ludovic(a)xwiki.com
skype: ldubost
Blog: http://blog.ludovic.org
On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 2:15 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
>
>> On 02 Sep 2016, at 14:12, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On 02 Sep 2016, at 14:09, Paul Libbrecht <paul(a)hoplahup.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Note that each country has a different requirement for this kind of
> page.
>>>>> Maybe this is a place to asllocate for all wikis?
>>>> Not sure I understand what you mean. This site is hosted in France.
>>> And I was talking about extending to other countries but probably I
>>> should have started another thread.
>>>>> PS: in the http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/LegalNotice/ I
> see
>>>>> that you're talking of a cookie, which is probably EU-required.
> However,
>>>>> the text doesn't say that we set cookies from the start on; are
we not
>>>>> doing that?
>>>>
>>>> Are we?
>>> Yes, we are. I just tried with an almost virgin firefox. It had no
>>> xwiki.org cookies.
>>>> I thought the cookie was only created when you’re checking the
> “remember me” option.
>>> After I visited xwiki.org's home page I have cookies for:
>>> - xwiki.org:
>>> - _cfduid (cloudflare loves tracking so as to protect against attackers)
>>> - JSESSIONID
>>> - _ga, _gat: Google analytics which we are using (not a very good
>>> example for the others!)
>>> - mf_user and some mf_xxx (maybe cloudflare?)
>>
>> ah yes I had forgotten about google analytics. Updating the legal notice
> page. Thanks!
>
> Done:
> http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/LegalNotice/
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
>> -Vincent
>>
>>>
>>> So in addition to saying that we set cookies for any visit, we should
>>> also that we let third-party service delivery companies also set cookies
>>> (Cloudflare Inc, Google Inc, and XX).
>>>
>>> Paul
4:54 p.m.
On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 3:38 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Indeed so we would be in the case of a non-commercial site:
"dans le cas d'un site non commercial ou d'un blog d'un particulier, les
mentions légales doivent indiquer les nom, prénom, adresse et numéro de
téléphone du créateur du site et de l'hébergeur."
which means me need to state the hoster (XWiki SAS + OVH) and the creator
(pointing to the active commiters sounds good)
Difficult to know if french language is implicit or not.. but indeed we can
keep it like that for now..
Ludovic
On 02 Sep 2016, at 14:32, Ludovic Dubost
<ludovic(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
Hi,
I think we might also need to have a name like Paul is mentioning. In
France it's "Directeur de la publication".
I don't think it's ok that we only mention the company. As both Vincent
and
me are legal representatives of XWiki SAS any of
our names would be ok I
believe.
I’ve already added a section about this. There’s no "Directeur de la
publication". This is a community site where anyone can edit and governed
by a Governance page (linked). I’ve given names already about people who
provide oversight, by linking to the active committers list (which happens
to be failing right now but that’s another matter, I need to fix it).
Also, XWiki SAS is just hosting xwiki.org
<https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71ce?d=http%3A%2F%2Fxwiki.org>.
It doesn’t operate it.
Also given that we are hosted in France, I think
we might need a french
version of this section, but I'm not sure if this is required or not.
At least it’s not listed on https://www.service-public.fr/
professionnels-entreprises/vosdroits/F31228
<https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71ce?d=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.service-public.fr%2Fprofessionnels-entreprises%2Fvosdroits%2FF31228>
And we can also add one when someone someone contacts us and ask us for
one. Right now all our pages are in English so I’d rather keep it that way
if we can.
I
think that in french the valid link visible on any page or at least the
home page is "Mentions Legales". We might need to have the word in French
even though the site is in english.. But again I haven't checked what the
exact requirements are. Maybe we can find a document online that says
what
to do for a english language site published in
France.
I think we’re fine for now.
Thanks
-Vincent
Ludovic
Ludovic
--
*Ludovic Dubost*
*Founder and CEO*
ludovic(a)xwiki.com
skype: ldubost
Blog: http://blog.ludovic.org
<https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71ce?d=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.ludovic.org>
On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 2:15 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
>
>> On 02 Sep 2016, at 14:12, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On 02 Sep 2016, at 14:09, Paul Libbrecht <paul(a)hoplahup.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Note that each country has a different requirement for this kind of
> page.
>>>>> Maybe this is a place to asllocate for all wikis?
>>>> Not sure I understand what you mean. This site is hosted in France.
>>> And I was talking about extending to other countries but probably I
>>> should have started another thread.
>>>>> PS: in the http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/LegalNotice/
<https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71ce?d=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.xwiki.org%2Fxwiki%2Fbin%2Fview%2FMain%2FLegalNotice%2F>
I
> see
>>>>> that you're talking of a cookie, which is probably EU-required.
> However,
>>>>> the text doesn't say that we set cookies from the start on; are
we
not
>>>>> doing that?
>>>>
>>>> Are we?
>>> Yes, we are. I just tried with an almost virgin firefox. It had no
>>> xwiki.org
<https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71ce?d=http%3A%2F%2Fxwiki.org>
cookies.
>>>> I thought the cookie was only
created when you’re checking the
> “remember me” option.
>>> After I visited xwiki.org
<https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71ce?d=http%3A%2F%2Fxwiki.org>'s
home page I have cookies for:
>>> - xwiki.org
<https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71ce?d=http%3A%2F%2Fxwiki.org>
:
>>> - _cfduid (cloudflare loves tracking
so as to protect against
attackers)
>>> - JSESSIONID
>>> - _ga, _gat: Google analytics which we are using (not a very good
>>> example for the others!)
>>> - mf_user and some mf_xxx (maybe cloudflare?)
>>
>> ah yes I had forgotten about google analytics. Updating the legal
notice
> page. Thanks!
>
> Done:
> http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/LegalNotice/
<https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71ce?d=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.xwiki.org%2Fxwiki%2Fbin%2Fview%2FMain%2FLegalNotice%2F>
>
> Thanks
> -Vincent
>
>> -Vincent
>>
>>>
>>> So in addition to saying that we set cookies for any visit, we should
>>> also that we let third-party service delivery companies also set
cookies
>>> (Cloudflare Inc, Google Inc, and
XX).
>>>
>>> Paul
_______________________________________________
devs mailing list
devs(a)xwiki.org
http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
<https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71ce?d=http%3A%2F%2Flists.xwiki.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fdevs>
7 Sep
7 Sep
10:51 a.m.
Hi,
Don`t forget MouseFlow. Also, links to the services would probably be a
good thing.
Thanks,
Eduard
On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 5:54 PM, Ludovic Dubost <ludovic(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 3:38 PM, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
I
happens
ce?d=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.service-public.fr%2Fprofessionnels-entreprises%
2Fvosdroits%2FF31228>
ce?d=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.ludovic.org>
>>
>>> On 02 Sep 2016, at 14:12, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 02 Sep 2016, at 14:09, Paul Libbrecht <paul(a)hoplahup.net>
wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Note that each country has a different requirement for this kind
of
ce?d=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.xwiki.org%2Fxwiki%2Fbin%2Fview%
2FMain%2FLegalNotice%2F>
ce?d=http%3A%2F%2Flists.xwiki.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fdevs>
_______________________________________________
devs mailing list
devs(a)xwiki.org
http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
On 02 Sep 2016, at 14:32, Ludovic Dubost
<ludovic(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
Hi,
I think we might also need to have a name like Paul is mentioning. In
France it's "Directeur de la publication".
I don't think it's ok that we only mention the company. As both Vincent
and
> me are legal representatives of XWiki SAS any of our names would be ok believe.
I’ve already added a section about this. There’s no "Directeur de la
publication". This is a community site where anyone can edit and governed
by a Governance page (linked). I’ve given names already about people who
provide oversight, by linking to the active committers list (which to be failing right now but that’s another
matter, I need to fix it).
Also, XWiki SAS is just hosting xwiki.org
<https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71
ce?d=http%3A%2F%2Fxwiki.org>.
It doesn’t operate it.
Indeed so we would be in the case of a non-commercial site:
"dans le cas d'un site non commercial ou d'un blog d'un particulier,
les
mentions légales doivent indiquer les nom, prénom, adresse et numéro de
téléphone du créateur du site et de l'hébergeur."
which means me need to state the hoster (XWiki SAS + OVH) and the creator
(pointing to the active commiters sounds good)
Also given that we are hosted in France, I think
we might need a french
version of this section, but I'm not sure if this is required or not.
At least it’s not listed on https://www.service-public.fr/
professionnels-entreprises/vosdroits/F31228
<https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71
And we can also add one when someone someone contacts us and ask us for
one. Right now all our pages are in English so I’d rather keep it that
way
if we can.
Difficult to know if french language is implicit or not.. but indeed we can
keep it like that for now..
Ludovic
> I
> think that in french the valid link visible on any page or at least the
> home page is "Mentions Legales". We might need to have the word in
French
> even though the site is in english.. But
again I haven't checked what
the
exact
requirements are. Maybe we can find a document online that says
what
to do for a english language site published in
France.
I think we’re fine for now.
Thanks
-Vincent
Ludovic
Ludovic
--
*Ludovic Dubost*
*Founder and CEO*
ludovic(a)xwiki.com
skype: ldubost
Blog: http://blog.ludovic.org
<https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71
On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 2:15 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
>
page.
>>>>> Maybe this is a place to asllocate for all wikis?
>>>> Not sure I understand what you mean. This site is hosted in France.
>>> And I was talking about extending to other countries but probably I
>>> should have started another thread.
>>>>> PS: in the http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/LegalNotice/
<https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71 I
ce?d=http%3A%2F%2Fxwiki.org>
> see
>>>>> that you're talking of a cookie, which is probably EU-required.
> However,
>>>>> the text doesn't say that we set cookies from the start on; are
we
not
>>>>> doing that?
>>>>
>>>> Are we?
>>> Yes, we are. I just tried with an almost virgin firefox. It had no
>>> xwiki.org
<https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71 cookies.
ce?d=http%3A%2F%2Fxwiki.org>'s
>>>> I thought the cookie was only
created when you’re checking the
> “remember me” option.
>>> After I visited xwiki.org
<https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71 home page I have cookies for:
ce?d=http%3A%2F%2Fxwiki.org>
>>> - xwiki.org
<https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71 :
ce?d=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.xwiki.org%2Fxwiki%2Fbin%2Fview%
2FMain%2FLegalNotice%2F>
>>> - _cfduid (cloudflare loves tracking
so as to protect against
attackers)
>>> - JSESSIONID
>>> - _ga, _gat: Google analytics which we are using (not a very good
>>> example for the others!)
>>> - mf_user and some mf_xxx (maybe cloudflare?)
>>
>> ah yes I had forgotten about google analytics. Updating the legal
notice
> page. Thanks!
>
> Done:
> http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/LegalNotice/
<https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71 >>
>> Thanks
>> -Vincent
>>
>>> -Vincent
>>>
>>>>
>>>> So in addition to saying that we set cookies for any visit, we
should
>>> also that we let third-party service delivery companies also set
cookies
>>> (Cloudflare Inc, Google Inc, and
XX).
>>>
>>> Paul
_______________________________________________
devs mailing list
devs(a)xwiki.org
http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
<https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71
11:29 a.m.
On 07 Sep 2016, at 10:51, Eduard Moraru
<enygma2002(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
Don`t forget MouseFlow. Also, links to the services would probably be a
good thing.
Good point. I’ve added:
- mouseflow
- active installs
Thanks
-Vincent
Thanks,
Eduard
On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 5:54 PM, Ludovic Dubost <ludovic(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 3:38 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>> On 02 Sep 2016, at 14:32, Ludovic Dubost <ludovic(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I think we might also need to have a name like Paul is mentioning. In
>>> France it's "Directeur de la publication".
>>> I don't think it's ok that we only mention the company. As both
Vincent
>> and
>>> me are legal representatives of XWiki SAS any of our names would be ok
> I
>>> believe.
>>
>> I’ve already added a section about this. There’s no "Directeur de la
>> publication". This is a community site where anyone can edit and governed
>> by a Governance page (linked). I’ve given names already about people who
>> provide oversight, by linking to the active committers list (which
> happens
>> to be failing right now but that’s another matter, I need to fix it).
>>
>> Also, XWiki SAS is just hosting xwiki.org
>> <https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71
> ce?d=http%3A%2F%2Fxwiki.org>.
>> It doesn’t operate it.
>>
>
> Indeed so we would be in the case of a non-commercial site:
>
> "dans le cas d'un site non commercial ou d'un blog d'un particulier,
les
> mentions légales doivent indiquer les nom, prénom, adresse et numéro de
> téléphone du créateur du site et de l'hébergeur."
>
> which means me need to state the hoster (XWiki SAS + OVH) and the creator
> (pointing to the active commiters sounds good)
>
>
>
>>
>>> Also given that we are hosted in France, I think we might need a french
>>> version of this section, but I'm not sure if this is required or not.
>>
>> At least it’s not listed on https://www.service-public.fr/
>> professionnels-entreprises/vosdroits/F31228
>> <https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71
> ce?d=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.service-public.fr%2Fprofessionnels-entreprises%
> 2Fvosdroits%2FF31228>
>>
>> And we can also add one when someone someone contacts us and ask us for
>> one. Right now all our pages are in English so I’d rather keep it that
> way
>> if we can.
>>
>
> Difficult to know if french language is implicit or not.. but indeed we can
> keep it like that for now..
>
> Ludovic
>
>
>>
>>> I
>>> think that in french the valid link visible on any page or at least the
>>> home page is "Mentions Legales". We might need to have the word in
> French
>>> even though the site is in english.. But again I haven't checked what
> the
>>> exact requirements are. Maybe we can find a document online that says
>> what
>>> to do for a english language site published in France.
>>
>> I think we’re fine for now.
>>
>> Thanks
>> -Vincent
>>
>>> Ludovic
>>>
>>> Ludovic
>>>
>>> --
>>> *Ludovic Dubost*
>>> *Founder and CEO*
>>> ludovic(a)xwiki.com
>>> skype: ldubost
>>> Blog: http://blog.ludovic.org
>> <https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71
> ce?d=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.ludovic.org>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 2:15 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 02 Sep 2016, at 14:12, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 02 Sep 2016, at 14:09, Paul Libbrecht
<paul(a)hoplahup.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Note that each country has a different requirement for
this kind
> of
>>>> page.
>>>>>>>> Maybe this is a place to asllocate for all wikis?
>>>>>>> Not sure I understand what you mean. This site is hosted in
France.
>>>>>> And I was talking about extending to other countries but probably
I
>>>>>> should have started another thread.
>>>>>>>> PS: in the
http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/LegalNotice/
>> <https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71
> ce?d=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.xwiki.org%2Fxwiki%2Fbin%2Fview%
> 2FMain%2FLegalNotice%2F>
>> I
>>>> see
>>>>>>>> that you're talking of a cookie, which is probably
EU-required.
>>>> However,
>>>>>>>> the text doesn't say that we set cookies from the
start on; are we
>> not
>>>>>>>> doing that?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are we?
>>>>>> Yes, we are. I just tried with an almost virgin firefox. It had
no
>>>>>> xwiki.org
>> <https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71
> ce?d=http%3A%2F%2Fxwiki.org>
>> cookies.
>>>>>>> I thought the cookie was only created when you’re checking
the
>>>> “remember me” option.
>>>>>> After I visited xwiki.org
>> <https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71
> ce?d=http%3A%2F%2Fxwiki.org>'s
>> home page I have cookies for:
>>>>>> - xwiki.org
>> <https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71
> ce?d=http%3A%2F%2Fxwiki.org>
>> :
>>>>>> - _cfduid (cloudflare loves tracking so as to protect against
>> attackers)
>>>>>> - JSESSIONID
>>>>>> - _ga, _gat: Google analytics which we are using (not a very
good
>>>>>> example for the others!)
>>>>>> - mf_user and some mf_xxx (maybe cloudflare?)
>>>>>
>>>>> ah yes I had forgotten about google analytics. Updating the legal
>> notice
>>>> page. Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> Done:
>>>> http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/LegalNotice/
>> <https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71
> ce?d=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.xwiki.org%2Fxwiki%2Fbin%2Fview%
> 2FMain%2FLegalNotice%2F>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> -Vincent
>>>>
>>>>> -Vincent
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So in addition to saying that we set cookies for any visit, we
> should
>>>>>> also that we let third-party service delivery companies also set
>> cookies
>>>>>> (Cloudflare Inc, Google Inc, and XX).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Paul
11:46 a.m.
On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 12:29 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Google Analytics?
On 07 Sep 2016, at 10:51, Eduard Moraru
<enygma2002(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
Don`t forget MouseFlow. Also, links to the services would probably be a
good thing.
Good point. I’ve added:
- mouseflow
- active installs
Thanks
-Vincent
Thanks,
Eduard
On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 5:54 PM, Ludovic Dubost <ludovic(a)xwiki.com>
wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 3:38 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
>
>>
>>> On 02 Sep 2016, at 14:32, Ludovic Dubost <ludovic(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I think we might also need to have a name like Paul is mentioning. In
>>> France it's "Directeur de la publication".
>>> I don't think it's ok that we only mention the company. As both
Vincent
>> and
>>> me are legal representatives of XWiki SAS any of our names would be ok
> I
>>> believe.
>>
>> I’ve already added a section about this. There’s no "Directeur de la
>> publication". This is a community site where anyone can edit and
governed
>> by a Governance page (linked). I’ve given
names already about people
who
>> provide oversight, by linking to the
active committers list (which
> happens
>> to be failing right now but that’s another matter, I need to fix it).
>>
>> Also, XWiki SAS is just hosting xwiki.org
>> <https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71
> ce?d=http%3A%2F%2Fxwiki.org>.
>> It doesn’t operate it.
>>
>
> Indeed so we would be in the case of a non-commercial site:
>
> "dans le cas d'un site non commercial ou d'un blog d'un particulier,
les
> mentions légales doivent indiquer les nom, prénom, adresse et numéro de
> téléphone du créateur du site et de l'hébergeur."
>
> which means me need to state the hoster (XWiki SAS + OVH) and the
creator
> (pointing to the active commiters sounds
good)
>
>
>
>>
>>> Also given that we are hosted in France, I think we might need a
french
>>> version of this section, but I'm
not sure if this is required or not.
>>
>> At least it’s not listed on https://www.service-public.fr/
>> professionnels-entreprises/vosdroits/F31228
>> <https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71
> ce?d=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.service-public.fr%2Fprofessionnels-entreprises%
> 2Fvosdroits%2FF31228>
>>
>> And we can also add one when someone someone contacts us and ask us for
>> one. Right now all our pages are in English so I’d rather keep it that
> way
>> if we can.
>>
>
> Difficult to know if french language is implicit or not.. but indeed we
can
> keep it like that for now..
>
> Ludovic
>
>
>>
>>> I
>>> think that in french the valid link visible on any page or at least
the
>>> home page is "Mentions
Legales". We might need to have the word in
> French
>>> even though the site is in english.. But again I haven't checked what
> the
>>> exact requirements are. Maybe we can find a document online that says
>> what
>>> to do for a english language site published in France.
>>
>> I think we’re fine for now.
>>
>> Thanks
>> -Vincent
>>
>>> Ludovic
>>>
>>> Ludovic
>>>
>>> --
>>> *Ludovic Dubost*
>>> *Founder and CEO*
>>> ludovic(a)xwiki.com
>>> skype: ldubost
>>> Blog: http://blog.ludovic.org
>> <https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71
> ce?d=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.ludovic.org>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 2:15 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 02 Sep 2016, at 14:12, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 02 Sep 2016, at 14:09, Paul Libbrecht
<paul(a)hoplahup.net>
wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Note that each country has a different requirement for
this kind
> of
>>>> page.
>>>>>>>> Maybe this is a place to asllocate for all wikis?
>>>>>>> Not sure I understand what you mean. This site is hosted in
France.
>>>>>> And I was talking about
extending to other countries but probably I
>>>>>> should have started another thread.
>>>>>>>> PS: in the
http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/LegalNotice/
>> <https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71
> ce?d=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.xwiki.org%2Fxwiki%2Fbin%2Fview%
> 2FMain%2FLegalNotice%2F>
>> I
>>>> see
>>>>>>>> that you're talking of a cookie, which is probably
EU-required.
>>>> However,
>>>>>>>> the text doesn't say that we set cookies from the
start on; are
we
>> not
>>>>>>>> doing that?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are we?
>>>>>> Yes, we are. I just tried with an almost virgin firefox. It had
no
>>>>>> xwiki.org
>> <https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71
> ce?d=http%3A%2F%2Fxwiki.org>
>> cookies.
>>>>>>> I thought the cookie was only created when you’re checking
the
>>>> “remember me” option.
>>>>>> After I visited xwiki.org
>> <https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71
> ce?d=http%3A%2F%2Fxwiki.org>'s
>> home page I have cookies for:
>>>>>> - xwiki.org
>> <https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71
> ce?d=http%3A%2F%2Fxwiki.org>
>> :
>>>>>> - _cfduid (cloudflare loves tracking so as to protect against
>> attackers)
>>>>>> - JSESSIONID
>>>>>> - _ga, _gat: Google analytics which we are using (not a very
good
>>>>>> example for the others!)
>>>>>> - mf_user and some mf_xxx (maybe cloudflare?)
>>>>>
>>>>> ah yes I had forgotten about google analytics. Updating the legal
>> notice
>>>> page. Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> Done:
>>>> http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/LegalNotice/
>> <https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71
> ce?d=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.xwiki.org%2Fxwiki%2Fbin%2Fview%
> 2FMain%2FLegalNotice%2F>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> -Vincent
>>>>
>>>>> -Vincent
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So in addition to saying that we set cookies for any visit, we
> should
>>>>>> also that we let third-party service delivery companies also set
>> cookies
>>>>>> (Cloudflare Inc, Google Inc, and XX).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Paul
_______________________________________________
devs mailing list
devs(a)xwiki.org
http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
noon
On 07 Sep 2016, at 11:46, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
<valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 12:29 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Google Analytics?
Already there.
Thanks
-Vincent
On 07 Sep 2016, at 10:51, Eduard Moraru
<enygma2002(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
Don`t forget MouseFlow. Also, links to the services would probably be a
good thing.
Good point. I’ve added:
- mouseflow
- active installs
Thanks
-Vincent
_______________________________________________
devs mailing list
devs(a)xwiki.org
http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
Thanks,
Eduard
On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 5:54 PM, Ludovic Dubost <ludovic(a)xwiki.com>
wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 3:38 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
>
>>
>>> On 02 Sep 2016, at 14:32, Ludovic Dubost <ludovic(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I think we might also need to have a name like Paul is mentioning. In
>>> France it's "Directeur de la publication".
>>> I don't think it's ok that we only mention the company. As both
Vincent
>> and
>>> me are legal representatives of XWiki SAS any of our names would be ok
> I
>>> believe.
>>
>> I’ve already added a section about this. There’s no "Directeur de la
>> publication". This is a community site where anyone can edit and
governed
>> by a Governance page (linked). I’ve given
names already about people
who
>> provide oversight, by linking to the
active committers list (which
> happens
>> to be failing right now but that’s another matter, I need to fix it).
>>
>> Also, XWiki SAS is just hosting xwiki.org
>> <https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71
> ce?d=http%3A%2F%2Fxwiki.org>.
>> It doesn’t operate it.
>>
>
> Indeed so we would be in the case of a non-commercial site:
>
> "dans le cas d'un site non commercial ou d'un blog d'un particulier,
les
> mentions légales doivent indiquer les nom, prénom, adresse et numéro de
> téléphone du créateur du site et de l'hébergeur."
>
> which means me need to state the hoster (XWiki SAS + OVH) and the
creator
> (pointing to the active commiters sounds
good)
>
>
>
>>
>>> Also given that we are hosted in France, I think we might need a
french
>>> version of this section, but I'm
not sure if this is required or not.
>>
>> At least it’s not listed on https://www.service-public.fr/
>> professionnels-entreprises/vosdroits/F31228
>> <https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71
> ce?d=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.service-public.fr%2Fprofessionnels-entreprises%
> 2Fvosdroits%2FF31228>
>>
>> And we can also add one when someone someone contacts us and ask us for
>> one. Right now all our pages are in English so I’d rather keep it that
> way
>> if we can.
>>
>
> Difficult to know if french language is implicit or not.. but indeed we
can
> keep it like that for now..
>
> Ludovic
>
>
>>
>>> I
>>> think that in french the valid link visible on any page or at least
the
>>> home page is "Mentions
Legales". We might need to have the word in
> French
>>> even though the site is in english.. But again I haven't checked what
> the
>>> exact requirements are. Maybe we can find a document online that says
>> what
>>> to do for a english language site published in France.
>>
>> I think we’re fine for now.
>>
>> Thanks
>> -Vincent
>>
>>> Ludovic
>>>
>>> Ludovic
>>>
>>> --
>>> *Ludovic Dubost*
>>> *Founder and CEO*
>>> ludovic(a)xwiki.com
>>> skype: ldubost
>>> Blog: http://blog.ludovic.org
>> <https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71
> ce?d=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.ludovic.org>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 2:15 PM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 02 Sep 2016, at 14:12, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>
wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 02 Sep 2016, at 14:09, Paul Libbrecht
<paul(a)hoplahup.net>
wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Note that each country has a different requirement for
this kind
> of
>>>> page.
>>>>>>>> Maybe this is a place to asllocate for all wikis?
>>>>>>> Not sure I understand what you mean. This site is hosted in
France.
>>>>>> And I was talking about
extending to other countries but probably I
>>>>>> should have started another thread.
>>>>>>>> PS: in the
http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/LegalNotice/
>> <https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71
> ce?d=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.xwiki.org%2Fxwiki%2Fbin%2Fview%
> 2FMain%2FLegalNotice%2F>
>> I
>>>> see
>>>>>>>> that you're talking of a cookie, which is probably
EU-required.
>>>> However,
>>>>>>>> the text doesn't say that we set cookies from the
start on; are
we
>> not
>>>>>>>> doing that?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are we?
>>>>>> Yes, we are. I just tried with an almost virgin firefox. It had
no
>>>>>> xwiki.org
>> <https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71
> ce?d=http%3A%2F%2Fxwiki.org>
>> cookies.
>>>>>>> I thought the cookie was only created when you’re checking
the
>>>> “remember me” option.
>>>>>> After I visited xwiki.org
>> <https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71
> ce?d=http%3A%2F%2Fxwiki.org>'s
>> home page I have cookies for:
>>>>>> - xwiki.org
>> <https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71
> ce?d=http%3A%2F%2Fxwiki.org>
>> :
>>>>>> - _cfduid (cloudflare loves tracking so as to protect against
>> attackers)
>>>>>> - JSESSIONID
>>>>>> - _ga, _gat: Google analytics which we are using (not a very
good
>>>>>> example for the others!)
>>>>>> - mf_user and some mf_xxx (maybe cloudflare?)
>>>>>
>>>>> ah yes I had forgotten about google analytics. Updating the legal
>> notice
>>>> page. Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> Done:
>>>> http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/LegalNotice/
>> <https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71
> ce?d=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.xwiki.org%2Fxwiki%2Fbin%2Fview%
> 2FMain%2FLegalNotice%2F>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> -Vincent
>>>>
>>>>> -Vincent
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So in addition to saying that we set cookies for any visit, we
> should
>>>>>> also that we let third-party service delivery companies also set
>> cookies
>>>>>> (Cloudflare Inc, Google Inc, and XX).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Paul
_______________________________________________
devs mailing list
devs(a)xwiki.org
http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
2 Sep
2 Sep
1:53 p.m.
On 02 Sep 2016, at 13:27, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
<valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
The best place would be the "About" section.
ok. Doing it.
FTR, example on www.lemonde.fr. In the footer it’s named “Mentions légales” and goes to:
http://moncompte.lemonde.fr/mentions-legales
What will be the name? "Legal”?
I’d say "Legal notice”.
Example on xwiki.com: http://www.xwiki.com/en/
Thanks
-Vincent
Thanks,
Caty
On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 11:54 AM, Benjamin Lanciaux <
benjamin.lanciaux(a)xwiki.com> wrote:
Hi XWiki Committers,
I'm +1 with the page you created Vincent.
About the place where we could display it, I suggest in the footer in the
"About" section just after "Sponsors".
WDYT?
Thanks,
Benjamin
2016-09-02 10:46 GMT+02:00 Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net>et>:
_______________________________________________
devs mailing list
devs(a)xwiki.org
http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs Hi xwiki committers,
According to the French law we have to have a legal notice page on
xwiki.org, see:
https://www.service-public.fr/professionnels-entreprises/
vosdroits/F31228
I’ve thus created http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/LegalNotice/
WDYT? Anything to add?
Now we need to link it, somewhere in the footer.
@Caty: would you have any idea of where would be the best place?
Thanks
-Vincent
_______________________________________________
devs mailing list
devs(a)xwiki.org
http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
_______________________________________________
devs mailing list
devs(a)xwiki.org
http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
2963
days inactive
2968
days old
15 comments
6 participants
participants (6)
-
Benjamin Lanciaux -
Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) -
Eduard Moraru -
Ludovic Dubost -
Paul Libbrecht -
Vincent Massol