Hi Guillaume Resist to the temptation... ;-) --> It depends the users you target in fact. You could make a test, yet _not_ "asking" (when asking, people always prefer the most options), but showing mockups, and _not_ speaking about "more functionalities". So that people will think as they would think in front of the real interface. You can have a look at the new beta testing skin for wikipedia. More precisely, go to Wikipedia, login, take the top-right link "test Açai", and try to edit a page. You will see that they use an "advanced" mode. This is one result of a 600 000 $ usability test & work for an open site. There is also a button that hides "rename" and "watch" in a pannel. Well, I would not hide "watch" in a firm wiki. (too bad there they have too much difficulties with existing content for the WYSIWYG currently) The Design Platform work is on my XWiki.org profile : http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/XWiki/ThibautDeveraux/Globalviewofi… http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/XWiki/ThibautDeveraux/Globalviewofi… -> The skin we had made intially for mediawiki. http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/XWiki/ThibautDeveraux/Wiki20090501G… -> Work in progress for a few adaptations for XWiki. Don't pay attention to the circles at the right, it is the start of an idea yet not finished. Panels are sightly different, it depends on portal/page and for the moment we will keep only the portals version (dev reasons). You can ask if need any explainations. Have a nice day Thibaut 2009/8/17 Guillaume Lerouge &lt;guillaume(a)xwiki.com&gt;om>: > Hi Thibaut, > > On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Thibaut DEVERAUX < > thibaut.deveraux(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > >> Thanks Guillaume, >> >> I can't wait to see your Friday's work. ;-) > > > We'll have to wait for Caty to draw a mockup first :-) > > >> About the number of links, imo the main problem is... the fact thoose >> links exists. >> >> The tabbed mockups are a good structured way to show them. >> >> My current focus would be on an "advanced mode" to hide thoose links >> when the user does not need it. > > > We do already have an "advanced" user mode and we could indeed use it more. > Some actions such as the XAR and HTML export could be hidden in simple mode > for instance. > > Something like : >> >> *** Simple mode (default) *** >> >>  - Edit >>  - History (to see who participated, can be important even for >> unexperimented users imo) >>  - Watch >>  - / >Advanced / (a link, not a tab, that switch to advanced mode) > > > > *** Advanced mode *** >> >>  - The current tabs. >>  - / >Simple / link >> >> In the design platform design we did not even made an advanced mode. >> Only admin have acces to other links. >> > > I'd be glad to see what you eventually come up with for the Design Wiki. > > >> Yup, a little bit more programation with it. Im waiting to see you >> Friday's mockups to give more advices anyway. > > > Thanks, > > Guillaume > > >> >> >> Have a nice day >> >> Thibaut >> >> >> 2009/8/16 Guillaume Lerouge &lt;me(a)guillaumelerouge.com&gt;om>: >> > >> > Forwarded to get past the list. >> > >> > >> > Begin forwarded message: >> > >> >> From: Guillaume Lerouge &lt;me(a)guillaumelerouge.com&gt; >> >> Date: 16 août 2009 13:22:49 HAEC >> >> To: XWiki Developers &lt;devs(a)xwiki.org&gt; >> >> Subject: Re: [xwiki-devs] [Proposal] XWiki 2.0 Skin >> >> >> > >> >> Hi Thibaut, >> >> >> >> Thanks a lot for your feedback! >> >> >> >> About the tabbed mockups: thanks for the personas, they're useful >> >> and we should use the concept more when working on our designs. >> >> >> >> Jean-Vincent had concerns similar to yours about tabs and we >> >> explored another option that made more use of buttons located close >> >> to the content area last Friday. We will definitely keep exploring >> >> options for a new skin / UX in the coming months and we'll be >> >> looking for your feedback during that time. >> >> >> >> On 16 août 2009, at 12:48, ThibautDeveraux &lt;thibaut.deveraux(a)gmail.c >> >> om> wrote: >> >> >> >>> >> >>> Sorry 3 mail... >> >>> >> >>> I missed the last post. about this skin : >> >>> >> >>> >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Skin20/proposa… >> >>> >> >>> Well, it is obviously the same architecture as currently. I >> >>> understand that >> >>> there is not much time. >> >> >> >> We've got only 2 weeks to change XWiki's look before 2.0 and we >> >> won't realistically be able to do much more than freshen it up a bit >> >> and make the logo easier to change. >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >>> I hope it is not definitve. I'd really prefer a skin with page >> >>> related >> >>> actions located near page. >> >>> >> >> We'll keep working on it during our next releases I promise :-) >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >>> Also I'd love to make propositions of architecture modifications to >> >>> visauy >> >>> show my means. Yet I have not many time. Is there a place where >> >>> source files >> >>> can be downloaded to speed the process ? >> >>> >> >> I'll let Caty / JV answer about this. >> >> >> >> Thanks for your help, >> >> >> >> Guillaume >> >> >> >> >> >>> Have a nice day >> >>> >> >>> Thibaut >> >>> -- >> >>> View this message in context: >> http://n2.nabble.com/-Proposal--XWiki-2.0-Skin-tp3405623p3453159.html >> >>> Sent from the XWiki- Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> devs mailing list >> >>> devs(a)xwiki.org >> >>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >> > _______________________________________________ >> > devs mailing list >> > devs(a)xwiki.org >> > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> devs mailing list >> devs(a)xwiki.org >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >> > > > > -- > Guillaume Lerouge > Product Manager - XWiki > Skype: wikibc > Twitter: glerouge > http://guillaumelerouge.com/ > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > devs(a)xwiki.org > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >